03-25-2015, 09:38 AM
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#21
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Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
Under the old premiums did everyone pay or was there an exemption for low income earners?
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There were assistance programs for low income individuals and they also had a waiver of premium for individuals who experienced short term losses of income.
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03-25-2015, 09:42 AM
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#22
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Anyone know if other provinces have the health care premiums?
I don't really know how you can make it a tiered tax. Everyone gets the same level of care and thus everyone should pay the same.
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Ontario has a sliding scale health premium program.
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03-25-2015, 10:27 AM
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My face is a bum!
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Our tax structure is just a way to try appease every single demographic subset in various ways to gain votes, so why stop now??
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03-25-2015, 10:38 AM
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I think the biggest mistake Stelmach made was getting rid of them all together. If he reduced the premium 50% everybody would still have been ecstatic. It was bringing around in 1 billion back in 2008. Getting an extra 500+ million each year over the last 7 would probably helped the system. At the very least shuffled money into another area of need.
Last edited by Robbob; 03-25-2015 at 10:40 AM.
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03-25-2015, 10:50 AM
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#25
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Join Date: May 2002
Location: Virginia
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Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch
As much as I've been a fan of this idea because of the people that over use especially in the emergency room where Johnny has a boo boo.
I tend to believe that this will chase lower income people away from visiting their doctor because its an un-budgeted expense.
Some people if they have to choose between a $20.00 visitation fee and putting gas in their car so they can go to work are going to choose the latter.
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Maybe. But I think you can do it in a way that works. For example, my American plan has no co-pays for primary dr or preventative care appts. $100 for the first couple trips to an ER in the year, $200 for visits after, and they are all waived if you are admitted. $20 for urgent care, etc.
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03-25-2015, 10:52 AM
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Very reasonable pricing, so long as there are exemptions for low income, kids, etc. Wife and I pay around $6k/year at the provital clinic in marda (kid is free) for essentially the same thing.
IMO, ultimately, the canada health act needs fixing (as in not cater to the lefties as much). i would be surprised if any province/territory had a fully-healthy healthcare system under the current wording. AHS should allow secondary fee schedules (billing codes that pay the doctors less, but allow them to charge a co-pay to a capped max of what the current codes pay). This will take major strain off the system.
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03-25-2015, 10:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Deep South
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This is really no different from creating a provincial sales tax. Actually, it probably collects less money than a sales tax would.
$528 / 8% (assumed provincial sales tax rate) = $6,600 in taxable sales.
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03-25-2015, 10:59 AM
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Such a pretty girl!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Calgary
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Only happy with this if it's progressive based on income. Not happy to see another ding in my take home income.
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03-25-2015, 11:08 AM
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My face is a bum!
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Originally Posted by cracher
Very reasonable pricing, so long as there are exemptions for low income, kids, etc. Wife and I pay around $6k/year at the provital clinic in marda (kid is free) for essentially the same thing.
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I saw Kreutzer before he made it big. Great guy. I go to the doctor once every two years, so for a few thousand reasons I no longer go there.
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03-25-2015, 11:19 AM
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Agree on most of this except the cut off at age 65. Income based is more fair. Just because you're 65 shouldn't dictate not paying premiums. If you meet the income threshold you pay. Boomer seniors are some of the richest people in the province and use the healthcare system a lot.
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03-25-2015, 11:51 AM
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Join Date: Sep 2002
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Originally Posted by Sr. Mints
I wonder how many employers will pick up this cost initially
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No company is going to do it out of the goodness of their collective hearts. We will only see companies pick it back up again when the job market is hot and they have to compete for employees.
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03-25-2015, 12:10 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uzbekistan
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I'm happy with this. I get a $900 health spending account at work. So it won't cost me a thing.
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03-25-2015, 12:53 PM
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03-25-2015, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny199r
I'm happy with this. I get a $900 health spending account at work. So it won't cost me a thing.
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Yes it does, you can no longer spend that $900 on something else that is now going to have to come out of your pocket, or now you will go without.
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03-25-2015, 01:17 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uzbekistan
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Originally Posted by Ducay
Yes it does, you can no longer spend that $900 on something else that is now going to have to come out of your pocket, or now you will go without.
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The $900 health spending account will be more than enough to cover the health premiums and my health/dental plan premiums. If I dont use the full $900 annually, I lose it anyway. It can't be carried over. So again, I'm happy with this, compared to a sales tax etc, where I'd actually have to pay out of pocket.
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03-25-2015, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Johnny199r
The $900 health spending account will be more than enough to cover the health premiums and my health/dental plan premiums. If I dont use the full $900 annually, I lose it anyway. It can't be carried over. So again, I'm happy with this, compared to a sales tax etc, where I'd actually have to pay out of pocket.
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Wasn't the premium over $1000 before it was removed? it could easily eat all your spending plus some.
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03-25-2015, 01:24 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uzbekistan
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Originally Posted by Weitz
Wasn't the premium over $1000 before it was removed? it could easily eat all your spending plus some.
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Pretty sure it was in the $500 range. If that's still the case, no problem. I'd be surprised if it's raised to $1000 per person.
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03-25-2015, 01:28 PM
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#38
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Originally Posted by Johnny199r
Pretty sure it was in the $500 range. If that's still the case, no problem. I'd be surprised if it's raised to $1000 per person.
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$1056 for family, $528 for singles from earlier in the thread I see.
I would still be upset. That only leaves you $372 for health charges all year..
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03-25-2015, 01:30 PM
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Uzbekistan
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Originally Posted by Weitz
$1056 for family, $528 for singles from earlier in the thread I see.
I would still be upset. That only leaves you $372 for health charges all year..
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My employer pays most of my health/dental plan insurance. I have very, very small monthly contributions. They dont exceed $372 per year.
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03-25-2015, 01:50 PM
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#40
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Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Calgary, AB
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They never should have been eliminated in the first place.
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