How does Giordano latest injury effect his next contract?

[locsofblu]

Although Gio would be worth 8 million I can see him signing for around 6 million and getting term.

[dying4acup]

4-5yrs, 8-8.5M per.

Injury doesn't change a thing. If he's not signed, I lose complete faith in this management.

Plus the KHL money just isn't there! Lol!

[Finger Cookin]

Originally Posted by It's a great day 4 hockey

I think had he gone injury free this year the Flames would have been willing to offer more term. I can't see a 6 or 7 year contract for big $$$ now. By no means do I want Giordano in anything but a Flames jersey till he retires, just a little worried about a storm that could be brewing. Thoughts?

I doubt a 6 or 7 year term would have been there for him even if he was completely healthy over the last few seasons. I expect a term of 4-5 years. No idea on money - my guess is in the range of 5.25-6.5. Probably closer to 6.5.

[Stay Golden]

The only way this effects Gio\s next contract is if his arm doesn't rehab properly and the Flames will know that.

Gio's will come back strong as ever the guy is a workhorse and it will not effect his contract at all.

[Imported_Aussie]

Money would be between 7.5-9M strictly based on comparable players, but we can assume due to age, that comes closer to 7-8.5M

33/4 or 38/5 - somewhere in there, front loaded

Likely delays signing until during next season, so long as his play does not decline

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by troutman

Is he? He could bring back a huge return.

Yes, unless you have some means of acquiring Drew Doughty, Shea Weber, Alex Pietrangelo, PK Subban or Zdeno Chara and a time machine.

Getting elite level, roughly-top-five-in-the-league defensemen is next to impossible. If you have one, you'd better keep him.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Haha if the Flames stop at 6x6 there's at least some GM somewhere who will pay him considerably more. I know it would be nice to think he will stay for cheap, but the guy is completely irreplaceable. You have to pay him full term and big dollars, or he'll understandably take it from someone else. And allowing that to happen would be a terrible mistake.

I love Gio on the Flames. I've had his name and number on one of my jerseys for about four years now. That said, there is no way he is completely irreplaceable. Heck, the team is 4-1-1 since he was injured. Giordano makes Calgary a better hockey team, but let's suppose he wasn't here. What about a guys like Doughty, Weber, Suter, Keith, Karlson, etc.? There are players, and yes many are under contract to other teams, that could replace Giordano.

I hope Gio signs here. I hope he gets fair value and term for what he brings to the team. I hope he hoists the Cup as captain for Calgary. Losing him would be a big blow to Calgary, but in no way, shape, or form is he completely irreplaceable. Teams that are built on the health and welfare of only one player are not well built teams. Calgary is quickly becoming a well built team.

In 2008 Tom Brady went down with an injury in the first game of the season for the Patriots. He was the reigning MVP and was about as close to irreplaceable as you can get. The Patriots went 11-5 that year. Sure they missed him, but even Tom was replaceable.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

What about a guys like Doughty, Weber, Suter, Keith, Karlson, etc.? There are players, and yes many are under contract to other teams, that could replace Giordano.

Suter and Keith are not as good as Giordano. Karlsson is a very different type of player, so I left him out. But the point is, you cannot acquire these guys. They are fundamentally untouchable.

Teams that are built on the health and welfare of only one player are not well built teams. Calgary is quickly becoming a well built team.

I don't think you're getting what I'm saying here. "Irreplaceable" means that if he wasn't there, you couldn't replace him. It doesn't mean the team's success is wholly dependent upon him. Nick Lidstrom was irreplaceable, but the Red Wings' success wasn't ALL Lidstrom.

[saillias]

Welp. I'm on the same side of an argument as CorsiHockeyLeague.

Don't mind Flames fans here, we are permanently obsessed with trading our top defensemen.

[Red Menace]

He will get big money no doubt (and deserved), but I imagine if he played the whole season and had 60+ pts or whatever, then he would probably get a little bit more.

[CroFlames]

It doesn't affect him.

[Split98]

If the Flames make the playoffs, I see it having some effect. But that all depends on if his agent was planning on taking Brad to the cleaners over the Norris and Captaincy. If Gio was more interested in term and a NMC, then it will have no impact. He is, and still will be, a very vital part of who we are going forward.

But if Gio's agent was calling the shots and wanted to bring up how the Flames would be less successful without him, their performance with him injured will be the counter point.

I see Gio being in more control than his agent in this scenario though.

[PeteMoss]

They should pay him big bucks. The Flames haven't gone in the tank but are one injury away from having a Potter-Schlemko pairing in big games.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Split98

If the Flames make the playoffs, I see it having some effect. But that all depends on if his agent was planning on taking Brad to the cleaners over the Norris and Captaincy. If Gio was more interested in term and a NMC, then it will have no impact. He is, and still will be, a very vital part of who we are going forward.

But if Gio's agent was calling the shots and wanted to bring up how the Flames would be less successful without him, their performance with him injured will be the counter point.

I see Gio being in more control than his agent in this scenario though.

Your post sounds like you think Gio and his agent don't work together.

[ForeverFlameFan]

4 x 7.5.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

4 x 7.5.

I would be fine with that, my one worry with Gio is that his massive offensive numbers have only been recent. Long term scares me a bit

[Huntingwhale]

I honestly think we will all be pleasantly surprised at the cap-friendly and FAIR contract Gio signs. I don't think his injury will affect what he gets. It's not like he has random injuries popping up all the time like Jones or Smid. All of his long-term injuries have been flukey hockey plays that could have happened to anyone, but they happened to him since he's on the ice all the time. Durability isn't a question for him. Maybe if he had lingering concussion issues like Horton it would come into play.

And to those saying he's not irreplaceable, why don't you ask Bob Hartley that question and see what he says. Ask Treliving what he means to the team and if he would consider trading him. It's not happening, and the team sure as hell isn't listening to offers no matter how good it might be from a fans point of view. This isn't the same as the Iginla situation.

[sa226]

Can you imagine how that negotiation would go?

"Hey Gio, we think you're one of the top Dmen in the league, the heart and sole of our franchise and Marty Gelinas said you are the best leader he has ever been around. But you've been injured a few times, so we're going to need a discount on your services."

Ya right.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would be fine with that, my one worry with Gio is that his massive offensive numbers have only been recent. Long term scares me a bit

That's why I think we shouldn't shell out a 6, 7 year contract to him. As much as I love Gio, I just don't see him putting up these great numbers by the time he is 35, 36. Stranger things have happened, he's a late bloomer so I don't know what to think.

[codynw]

It's not like the man is made of glass. He's had a broken bone and torn his bicep. If he had a reoccurring knee injury or concussion problems it might change something.. but these injuries shouldn't affect anything.