Russia’s anti-U.S. sentiment now is even worse than it was in Soviet Union

[GreenLantern2814]

This doesn't surprise me - at the height of the USSR's power, they were every bit as dominant on the world stage as the United States, and were treated as such.

Since the fall of the soviet union, they've been treated like a 2nd rate power. They aren't.

[Rerun]

Take away all the nukes they stock piled and they've always been a 2nd rate power... even at the height of the cold war.

I may be wrong but I seem to recall that NATO, after the fall of the Soviet Union, was shocked at how crappy their equipment was... smoke and mirrors.

[Flash Walken]

LoL

Stop the Nazi's, first man made object to leave earth's gravity. First ICBM. First man made object to land on the moon. First human in space. First man made object to impact another planet. First woman in space. First permanently manned space station.

"2nd rate power"

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to dismiss ya.

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

LoL

Stop the Nazi's, first man made object to leave earth's gravity. First ICBM. First man made object to land on the moon. First human in space. First man made object to impact another planet. First woman in space. First permanently manned space station.

"2nd rate power"

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to dismiss ya.

Any of this happen in the last generation?

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Tyler

Any of this happen in the last generation?

That's not even the point. What's the difference? What if it was Zimbabwe instead of Russia? Do you hate Zimbabwe? The OP's linked article is a propagandist provocation, as it incites people to hate some country, because that country hates you back. I mean do the opinion poll on Russia in most US heartland small towns and see how that goes...

Nobody should ever hate a country. It is absolutely and indisputably wrong, because hating a country is equivalent to hating its people. Hating some other country's political regime, foreign policies, economics, taxation etc. is fine provided that your reasons are rational and logically sound and, provided, you are open to changing your views based on other people's rational arguments.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

LoL

Stop the Nazi's, first man made object to leave earth's gravity. First ICBM. First man made object to land on the moon. First human in space. First man made object to impact another planet. First woman in space. First permanently manned space station.

"2nd rate power"

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to dismiss ya.

I would say they were a second rate power. Doing those things you listed cost them everything. They've never recovered. They probably will never recover.

The US did things like the above, and more, and managed to do it while becoming the greatest economic power in the world.

They're pretty much second rate by definition.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nik-

I would say they were a second rate power. Doing those things you listed cost them everything. They've never recovered. They probably will never recover.

The US did things like the above, and more, and managed to do it while becoming the greatest economic power in the world.

They're pretty much second rate by definition.

Um, speaking of never recovering, have you recently had a look at the US's national debt?

They are where they are, but there were consequences.

[nik-]

National debt and economic power are not the same thing. Add in standard of living and the comparison becomes laughable between Russia and pretty much any western country.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

LoL

Stop the Nazi's, first man made object to leave earth's gravity. First ICBM. First man made object to land on the moon. First human in space. First man made object to impact another planet. First woman in space. First permanently manned space station.

"2nd rate power"

Throwing human lives at a problem until you solve it does not make you a first rate power.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Handsome B. Wonderful

Throwing human lives at a problem until you solve it does not make you a first rate power.

No wonder Russia hates the west. What a delightfully ignorant thing to say.

[nik-]

It's pretty accurate for the defeating the Nazi's part.

[White Out 403]

and all the other stuff?>

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

No wonder Russia hates the west. What a delightfully ignorant thing to say.

No country in history has killed more Russians than Russia.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Stop the Nazi's

Well in typical Soviet fashion and thought process, believe it or not the Soviet Union wasn't the only one that fought the NAZI's and while they only had one country to fight the American's were fighting the Japanese along with England.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

first man made object to leave earth's gravity First ICBM. First man made object to land on the moon. First human in space. First man made object to impact another planet.

With what technology that they developed on their own instead of those Nazi scientists that they captured.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

2nd rate power

he's not lying, just because they give you a choice, dying by the soviet bullet or the enemy, they had so many people to just throw at the battle is their main advantage.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to dismiss

paranoid? meh it's like watching the trailer park boys

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

LoL

Stop the Nazi's, first man made object to leave earth's gravity. First ICBM. First man made object to land on the moon. First human in space. First man made object to impact another planet. First woman in space. First permanently manned space station.

"2nd rate power"

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to dismiss ya.

They may have stopped the Nazis, but they also used the best Nazis, the Russians had the best pick of German nuclear and rocket scientists both during and after the war. I would agree that in light of the "achievements" you have listed, the Soviets were certainly a first rate power when it came to the exploitation of slave labor and espionage, in that they may have been second to none.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Alsos
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/a4_te...ml#osoaviakhim

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by nik-

It's pretty accurate for the defeating the Nazi's part.

Yes, the Soviet Union had a significant manpower advantage over the Germans in WW2 and suffered horrendous losses through the war. But that far underrates the Soviet Union's ability to replace losses, out armament race Germany despite losing much of its industrialized capacity in 1941 and then develop the finest mechanized army in the world used for the great offensives of late 1943-1945.

The Red Army did not simply defeat the Germany Army by simply throwing more men into battle, it did by surpassing it in mobile warfare.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by accord1999

Yes, the Soviet Union had a significant manpower advantage over the Germans in WW2 and suffered horrendous losses through the war. But that far underrates the Soviet Union's ability to replace losses, out armament race Germany despite losing much of its industrialized capacity in 1941 and then develop the finest mechanized army in the world used for the great offensives of late 1943-1945.

The Red Army did not simply defeat the Germany Army by simply throwing more men into battle, it did by surpassing it in mobile warfare.

Simply no, but sheer numbers is a pretty major reason. I'd say the top reason. The Soviet Union lost double the soldiers of Germany, and Germany was fighting a two front war.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by nik-

Simply no, but sheer numbers is a pretty major reason. I'd say the top reason. The Soviet Union lost double the soldiers of Germany, and Germany was fighting a two front war.

Imperial Russia had a significant manpower advantage against the Central Powers in WWI as well but lost that war. Simply having more men meant little if the Red Army wasn't able to gets it fighting ability up to the level of the German Army.

And German lost anywhere from 70-80% of their military on the Eastern Front. Most of the losses came later in the war, when the Red Army was pulling off the great mobile offensives of late 1943-1945. Beating the Axis required the combined efforts of the Western Allies and the Soviet Union, but the main show of WW2 was the Eastern Front.

[Flash Walken]

Wow, that really contributed to a tangent.

I think it really shows the successive treatment Russia/Soviet Union has gotten in western education and media. The first nation to reach space, the only nation on the planet to challenge the US, the largest country on earth with a history as a power going back centuries is a 'second rate power', 'even at their peak'.

It's a statement of hyperbole from a hyperbolous poster. I'm surprised at the rousing defense it received.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wow, that really contributed to a tangent.

I think it really shows the successive treatment Russia/Soviet Union has gotten in western education and media. The first nation to reach space, the only nation on the planet to challenge the US, the largest country on earth with a history as a power going back centuries is a 'second rate power', 'even at their peak'.

It's a statement of hyperbole from a hyperbolous poster. I'm surprised at the rousing defense it received.

Their power is rooted in the fact that they are always more than willing to do whatever nasty things they need to in order to gain power (gulags, dictatorships, genocide, invading neighbours to create a "buffer") and they have a cultural martyrdom complex. Their people would rather starve than be anything but a global power.

Not that the U.S. is innocent in how they project or seize power, but compared to Russia, they are saints.