[News] Ortio out 6-8 weeks with high ankle sprain

[1991 Canadian]

I could really care less how this affects Ramo's likeliness of being traded. Personally, even with Ortio around, I don't think Ramo was going to be traded anyways.

What I do care about is how this might affect the ADK Flames chances of making the playoffs. They are right on the bubble as it stands. The last thing they need to lose their AHL all star goaltender.

[Dr. Doom]

Treliving should have dealt Ramo and brought up Ortio like I told him too and we would have had one less loss and a healthy Ortio going into a playoff push!

Sometimes ya gotta pull the trigger now we are stuck with Ramo!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Rerun

That sucks. I figured for sure that the Flames would trade Ramo at the deadline (since he's a UFA this summer) and bring Ortio up.

Now Ramo will just walk this summer and we get nothing.

Nothing is likely in the same ball park as what we'd be getting for Ramo had we been able to trade him anyways.

[Flame19,289]

In light of Ortio's injury, what's the chance that we see Jon Gillies join the team in Adirondack after the NCAA season?

The Frozen Four finishes up on April 11. The AHL regular season continues for another week beyond that.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Flame19,289

In light of Ortio's injury, what's the chance that we see Jon Gillies join the team in Adirondack after the NCAA season?

The Frozen Four finishes up on April 11. The AHL regular season continues for another week beyond that.

Depends if he wants to sign an NHL contract that starts this year and burn a year of his ELC.

If he signs an NHL contract that starts this season to burn a year of his ELC, it will be after the NHL trade deadline and by the rules of the CBA he can't be assigned to Adirondack.

If he signs a PTO with Adirondack and an NHL contract that starts next season, he can play for Adirondack but loses the advantage of burning an ELC year.

Should be worth noting that April 11th is exactly 8 weeks from today, when Ortio is expected back anyways.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Depends if he wants to sign an NHL contract that starts this year and burn a year of his ELC.

If he signs an NHL contract that starts this season to burn a year of his ELC, it will be after the NHL trade deadline and by the rules of the CBA he can't be assigned to Adirondack.

If he signs a PTO with Adirondack and an NHL contract that starts next season, he can play for Adirondack but loses the advantage of burning an ELC year.

Should be worth noting that April 11th is exactly 8 weeks from today, when Ortio is expected back anyways.

An NHL contract probably wouldn't be on the table though - PTO or nothing, I would think.

And I would guess that he'd be looking for that whether Ortio is back or not

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

An NHL contract probably wouldn't be on the table though - PTO or nothing, I would think.

And I would guess that he'd be looking for that whether Ortio is back or not

Why would a NHL contract be off the table? Gillies has proven enough at the College level and would fill in nicely with the farm team when Ortio makes the jump to the NHL next season.

[Flame19,289]

Originally Posted by Fire

Why would a NHL contract be off the table? Gillies has proven enough at the College level and would fill in nicely with the farm team when Ortio makes the jump to the NHL next season.

I think what Enoch Root is getter by at is that an NHL contract for the balance of 2014-15 is probably off the books, as this would burn a year off Gillies' ELC and prevent him from going to Adirondack (he'd have to stay up in Calgary if he signs after the trade deadline).

It's not unheard of for teams to do this, but it's something that's more frequently done with college free agents as a means of sweetening the deal (The Rangers did it last year with Ryan Haggerty).

[sureLoss]

Well the Flames did it last season with Agostino, Arnold, Van Brabant and technically Gaudreau so I am not sure why it would be off the table with Gillies.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Well the Flames did it last season with Agostino, Arnold, Van Brabant and technically Gaudreau so I am not sure why it would be off the table with Gillies.

I doubt it's completely off the table... but I think any time you can continue to develop a goaltender while not on the payroll (or on the clock) is a good thing for the organization, unless there is a developmental need.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I doubt it's completely off the table... but I think any time you can continue to develop a goaltender while not on the payroll (or on the clock) is a good thing for the organization, unless there is a developmental need.

Well that is stating the obvious, but it is a two sided negotiation and Gillies has the one year away from UFA card if he should choose to play it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Treliving should have dealt Ramo and brought up Ortio like I told him too and we would have had one less loss and a healthy Ortio going into a playoff push!

Sometimes ya gotta pull the trigger now we are stuck with Ramo!

You are assuming there was legit interest in a backup goaltender that's played a small handful of games in 2015 and been pulled in a couple of them. If he is traceable I don't think the return would be more than a 4th round pick at this stage if there's a team that actually thinks he's an improvement on their current backup.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Well the Flames did it last season with Agostino, Arnold, Van Brabant and technically Gaudreau so I am not sure why it would be off the table with Gillies.

Yes, they have done it before, but there is no room on the NHL roster for him. And there is no chance they're throwing a college kid into the net if the Flames are in the playoffs.

Conversely, they would have a need for him if Adirondack is in the playoffs (which is my working assumption).

As for him being a year from FA, I don't see him as a flight risk in the slightest. He wants to go pro, and he wants to do it last year. Based on what I've heard about him, I think he would be all over a PTO in order to get some playoff games in at the AHL level.

Just no need to go with the NHL contract and eliminate his chance to play in Adirondack.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flame19,289

I think what Enoch Root is getter by at is that an NHL contract for the balance of 2014-15 is probably off the books, as this would burn a year off Gillies' ELC and prevent him from going to Adirondack (he'd have to stay up in Calgary if he signs after the trade deadline).

It's not unheard of for teams to do this, but it's something that's more frequently done with college free agents as a means of sweetening the deal (The Rangers did it last year with Ryan Haggerty).

that is what I meant, yes

[Phanuthier]

I wonder if there are any temporary options to help our AHL team get into the playoffs?

Can Ramo get a conditioning stint without going on waivers?
7th round pick for anyone who can give us a good, vet loaner?
Any KHL teams folding that have a good goaltender?
Any Martin Broshu's out there that can be signed?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yes, they have done it before, but there is no room on the NHL roster for him. And there is no chance they're throwing a college kid into the net if the Flames are in the playoffs.

Conversely, they would have a need for him if Adirondack is in the playoffs (which is my working assumption).

As for him being a year from FA, I don't see him as a flight risk in the slightest. He wants to go pro, and he wants to do it last year. Based on what I've heard about him, I think he would be all over a PTO in order to get some playoff games in at the AHL level.

Just no need to go with the NHL contract and eliminate his chance to play in Adirondack.

Ah ok. I see your line of reasoning now. But I would put it out there that he is probably unlikely to see any Adirondack games either if they are battling for a playoff spot.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Ah ok. I see your line of reasoning now. But I would put it out there that he is probably unlikely to see any Adirondack games either if they are battling for a playoff spot.

Very likely true - unless others stumbled or were injured

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Very likely true - unless others stumbled or were injured

Even then they are probably more likely to sign an ECHL goaltender with some AHL experience than hand over the reigns to a kid who has practiced for a couple of weeks with the team.