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Flashpoint · 02-04-2015, 10:15 AM

3 for regulation win. 5x5, and no "tanking" the last 10 min for loser points.
2 for OT win. It resembles hockey.
1 for SO win.
0 for losing.

Geeoff · 02-04-2015, 10:21 AM

Personally, I don't see a problem with the current system. Also, I prefer the shootout to ties.

flames_fan_down_under · 02-04-2015, 10:22 AM

I chose 'Other' as I don't like any scenario that has a shootout. I am also of the camp that prefers to not see points awarded to a team that loses, however if the SO is here to stay at the very least have a game worth 3 points and those points are spread out amongst the winners and losers. 3 points for a W, 3 for an OTW, 2 for the SOW the 1 remaining point to the team that loses SO. In the current system having a game be worth 2 points then all of a sudden the 3 points just because it goes to OT makes no sense to me, and I feel gives the artificial "parity" we see in the NHL.

Oling_Roachinen · 02-04-2015, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tiger

does it really change the standings much at all?

Probably not heavily but could be the difference between playoffs and missing out on the wild card spots.

Quick look at this season, assuming teams don't play differently (which would certainly not be the case):

Flames have 28 wins, 10 of which that have come in OT and the SO.

So 18 regulation wins, 10 OT/SO wins, 3 OT/SO losses and 20 regulation losses would give them 77 points in a 3-2-1-0 system.

Vancouver has 22 regulation wins, 6 OT/SO wins, 3 OT/SO losses and 18 regulation losses giving them 81 points in a 3-2-1-0 system.

Currently the teams are tied with 59 points.

Los Angeles has 19 regulation wins, 2 OT/SO wins, 12 OT/SO losses and 17 regulation losses. They would have 77 points in a 3-2-1-0 system, which would tie them with the Flames. Currently the Flames have a 5 point lead. Giving them 73 points.

foshizzle11 · 02-04-2015, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by heep223

2 points for reg/OT win, 1 point if you need a shootout to win, 0 points for being a loser.

I've always been in the minority in that I don't find the shootout "gimmicky". Breakaways are a hockey skill that teams are better or worse at. It also tests quality of goaltending.

If you lose, you should lose with 0 points. If you lose in a shootout, you have less skill and/or worse goaltending than the other team. I don't see it as a gimmick and I don't feel bad for a team getting robbed points in the shootout.

I said 3 point system, but this would be fine as well, I don't think you should get a point for losing at all.

I do think I prefer the 3 point system over this but what you suggested above would suffice as well.

heep223 · 02-04-2015, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyC

I said other. 2 pts for winning no points for losing. Regardless.

How come....how come I've never thought of this. Lol.

nfotiu · 02-04-2015, 10:34 AM

Go wins/losses and couple it with 2 more wild card teams that play a one game round.

If they're concerned that the shootout knocks out too many teams in a w/l scenario, then give more teams a chance of getting in through a one game wild card round. It makes for a better regular season with the top 3 spots in each division being more meaningful, and keeps more teams in it until the end.

Sgrath · 02-04-2015, 10:38 AM

3 for a win, nothing for a loss and 1 each for a tie, no OT and no <bleeping> shootouts.

Zarley · 02-04-2015, 10:45 AM

Keep it simple, 2 points for a win, none for a loss be it regulation, OT, or shootout.

The loser point made a bit of sense back when teams were playing for a tie, but now it only serves to artificially tighten the standings.

ForeverFlameFan · 02-04-2015, 10:46 AM

3 points for regulation win/0 for loss
2 points for OT win/1 for loss
1 point for SO win/0 for loss

- A little odd to have an overtime loss get a point and not one in the shootout, but there's got to be an incentive to play it out in OT rather than the SO.

handgroen · 02-04-2015, 10:48 AM

Voted 'other' as i don't have a problem with the system but would like to see the shootout substituted for 3 on 3 overtime for 10 mins. more exciting IMO. if nothing is resolved then tie and both get 1 point.

GioforPM · 02-04-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

3 points for regulation win/0 for loss
2 points for OT win/1 for loss
1 point for SO win/0 for loss

- A little odd to have an overtime loss get a point and not one in the shootout, but there's got to be an incentive to play it out in OT rather than the SO.

The only issue I have with this is that it rewards teams that have shootout skills and penalizes teams that don't but can scrap out a tie after 65 minutes against said skilled team.

I actually don't even mind 2 for win, 1 point each for a tie, (overtime or not) no SO.

GranteedEV · 02-04-2015, 10:57 AM

Maybe keep the system the same, but put a cap on loser points. Have the cap set by.. I dunno.. Looking at the OTL of the team with the most ROW.

Right now that would be Tampa Bay, so that would be 5OTL points max for every other team.
If Nashville overtakes them, it becomes six.

That keeps the system stable without allowing for absurd loser point collecting like Colorado, Winnipeg, and LA

Coach · 02-04-2015, 11:05 AM

I have no problem with the shootout to avoid ties. I just don't think you should be getting points for losing at all.

Joborule · 02-04-2015, 11:11 AM

3 points for reg win, 2 pts for OT/SH win PLUS no points for a overtime loss. I would stretch out the 2nd option a bit and make a shootout win worth only one point.

liamenator · 02-04-2015, 11:13 AM

Other. Bring back ties!

genetic_phreek · 02-04-2015, 11:19 AM

2 points for Win/OT win
1 point for shootout win

I say keep the shootout because I'd rather someone win rather than having a tie. A tie is very dissatisfying.

mrkajz44 · 02-04-2015, 11:24 AM

Abolish the points system, ditch the shootout, and have no ties (unlimited OT).

Just wins and losses.

In OT have 4 on 4, 3 on 3, whatever. Just have the hockey game end as a hockey game.

ForeverFlameFan · 02-04-2015, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GioforPM

The only issue I have with this is that it rewards teams that have shootout skills and penalizes teams that don't but can scrap out a tie after 65 minutes against said skilled team.

I actually don't even mind 2 for win, 1 point each for a tie, (overtime or not) no SO.

True... The best solution would probably be:

3 points for regulation/0 for loss
2 points for OT win/0 for loss (10 minutes, 4 on 4 for 5 min, 3 on 3 for 5 min).
1 point each for a tie.

Resolute 14 · 02-04-2015, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Textcritic

No team should be punished for losing a gimmick skills competition. So long as there is a shootout, no one should walk away from it empty.

This thinking - while completely accurate - is exactly why the shootout needs to go.

We treat shootout wins as if they were real wins, but we pretend that shootout losses aren't real losses.

Frankly, if the NHL believes that shootouts are a legitimate means of determining the outcome of a hockey game, then the reward for winning and the punishment for losing should be the same as any other situation. In this case, two points for winning and zero for losing. (Or just move to a games behind format like MLB and the NBA).

If the league recognizes the questionable legitimacy of a shootout by rewarding the loser with a point, then the same argument holds that a shootout win should be less valuable than a real one. Instead, the league rewards the wrong behaviour so it can create the illusion of parity.