Future high school to be moved from seton to legacy

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by psicodude

i think it's important to note that the proposed school was technically being built in Range View, not Seton. Range View was just approved by the city last fall and has no concrete dates for when basic services such as utilities and roads will be available. The larger problem here is that the other Catholic high schools in the South are pretty much at capacity already and will only be worse in the coming years. So, do you gamble on the better location and possibly not having a high school for 5 or 7 years, or build in a less desirable location with a guaranteed opening of Sept 2017?

I think they made the logical choice, and I live in Cranston. I also think that people are way over-estimating the commute time here as well. McKenzie Towne to Legacy is 10 minutes at worst. Heck, I could drive the entire ring-road in 1.5 hours.

When they're saying hour and a half commutes i think they're referring to school bus rides not drive your own car times. But yes, driving your own car would take ten minutes. Probably not the way the majority of students would be getting to school, and of it were there would be quite a few more cars on the road.

[psicodude]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

When they're saying hour and a half commutes i think they're referring to school bus rides not drive your own car times. But yes, driving your own car would take ten minutes. Probably not the way the majority of students would be getting to school, and of it were there would be quite a few more cars on the road.

Yeah, that's true. I would hope that CT creates a few targeted bus routes to help. The good news is that the c-train will be in to assist as well. Hahaha....

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by Calgary14

What is the projected population of Legacy vs Seton?

I imagine it's a lot higher in Seton as it's mostly high density residential. But Seton is smaller and will contain a lot of commercial as well. So not too sure.

[GGG]

I wonder if a better funding model for the capital costs of schools would be to put it into the lot price and have the developers responsible for them. It doesn't solve operating costs but it puts more of the sprawl costs onto the consumer and creates a stable funding source for new schools.

[guzzy]

Sorry but i lack sympathy for suburbanites who move to new communities without schools and then complain when their children spend ten hours a week on a bus. You chose to live there. I hope you enjoy your big cookie cutter McMansion.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Sorry but i lack sympathy for suburbanites who move to new communities without schools and then complain when their children spend ten hours a week on a bus. You chose to live there. I hope you enjoy your big cookie cutter McMansion.

Great. Plenty of suburbanites have no sympathy for people who buy in the inner city and have their schools closed due to falling attendance (not me). Neither ill-intentioned opinion helps in a rational discussion though.

[btimbit]

High school must have changed since I went. Don't kids get their licenses after a few months anymore?

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by guzzy

Sorry but i lack sympathy for suburbanites who move to new communities without schools and then complain when their children spend ten hours a week on a bus. You chose to live there. I hope you enjoy your big cookie cutter McMansion.

Problem is they're not McMansions. They're McShoeboxes. With no yards. And no trees. And apparently, no schools either.

God I loathe how the city keeps letting this sprawl happen.

[Maccalus]

Originally Posted by Rhettzky

I imagine it's a lot higher in Seton as it's mostly high density residential. But Seton is smaller and will contain a lot of commercial as well. So not too sure.

While Seton itself is small and mostly commercial, Rangeview will have a lot of medium to high density directly adjacent to Seton. It is being zoned this way in anticipation of Seton being a TOD off of the greenline. The Catholic high school will be located in this higher density region of Rangeview if I remember correctly.

The final buildout population of east of the bow river will be much larger than the legacy area given the current city borders.

[Russic]

I am one of the suburbanites, but I absolutely appreciate the problems that sprawl introduces when it comes to schools. Just as Slava pointed out, whether you live downtown or you live in the outskirts there are inherent risks that your kid will require a long commute. You can plan until you're blue in the face, but if you do it before your kids are even born, you're looking at 6 years before your kids need an elementary school. Lots can change in 6-17 years.

We had several friends move their families into Auburn Bay when the province was promising a new school, and it seemed like a ton of trust in the government. Sure enough, the school has yet to arrive, and 2 of those families have moved as a result (and not exactly a time where you're going to make money on your home).

My intention isn't to sound high and mighty here – my wife and I moved into a community and barely considered kids and schooling. Turns out we ended up in a place where the schools don't take overflow and numbers are kept lower. Still, we had the discussion that a sizeable commute was an unfortunate possibility and it's still on the table as the kids are many years away from jr/sr high school.

It's a massively growing city and it's not doing it in an efficient manner. With that you have to expect incredible growing pains. I understand that it's frustrating, but you have to look at the realities of the city.

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Slava

Great. Plenty of suburbanites have no sympathy for people who buy in the inner city and have their schools closed due to falling attendance (not me). Neither ill-intentioned opinion helps in a rational discussion though.

How do you make this into a signature?

[stampsx2]

Originally Posted by Ducay

Problem is they're not McMansions. They're McShoeboxes. With no yards. And no trees. And apparently, no schools either.

God I loathe how the city keeps letting this sprawl happen.

I loathe the whining and complaining of inner city people who think they're the glue that holds the city together. Without them this city would be nothing.

Maybe the inner city folk should talk to nenshi about funding their communities instead of building a $300 million library in their backyard.

I'm tired of the inner city vs suburban arguement. If you don't like how suburbanites, MOVE! Why would you buy a house in the city if you knew it would have suburbs that you loathe so much.

[polak]

Whats the deal with that? Why can't they just eliminate a soccer field in a SE community and stick a high school there? What sort of infrastructure does a High School require that Legacy can offer but say McKenzie or Douglasdale, or Quarry Park cant?

I went to O'Byrne which is maybe a 2 minute drive away from Legacy. It is pretty dumb. Especially since the majority of SE students will have to drive right beside O'Byrne to go to Legacy. I know O'Byrne is probably full but it seems crazy to build another high school so close.

Centennial is also right beside O'Byrne as well.

I guess this settles it. SW rules.

[corporatejay]

All three of those schools are in the SE.

[polak]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

All three of those schools are in the SE.

Macleod is the divider of SW and SE correct? O'Byrne is in the SW.

Centennial is one block from Macleod and Legacy is also right off of Macleod. The thing is, there is a lot more SW residents attending those two then SE because most of the SE residents that are South of Anderson are on the other side of Fish Creek and thus have it pretty far to BOB and most choose to go to Bishop Granden

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by polak

Macleod is the divider of SW and SE correct? O'Byrne is in the SW.

Centennial is one block from Macleod and Legacy is also right off of Macleod. The thing is, there is a lot more SW residents attending those two then SE because most of the SE residents are South of Anderson are on the other side of Fish Creek and thus have it pretty far to BOB and most choose to go to Bishop Granden

The east/west divide down there is actually the train tracks. I think at Anderson the dividing line becomes MacLeod and at Glenmore it becomes Center Street.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by polak

Macleod is the divider of SW and SE correct? O'Byrne is in the SW.

Centennial is one block from Macleod and Legacy is also right off of Macleod. The thing is, there is a lot more SW residents attending those two then SE because most of the SE residents are South of Anderson are on the other side of Fish Creek and thus have it pretty far to BOB and most choose to go to Bishop Granden

I'm not sure where the actual dividing line is. Sometimes its Macleod and then other times its a block or two on either side of Macleod. I guess it depends on how Macleod turns or veers along the way.

[Northendzone]

back when i went to high school, i had a 15 minute walk - it makes me somewhat sad that my children will likely not have this luxury.

I am dissapointed in that in McKenzie Towne/Copperfield they have built three schools in the past 15-15 yrs - two catholic and one public and they have not been able to build a high school somewhere in one of the "traditional" deep SE neighborhoods

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Slava

Great. Plenty of suburbanites have no sympathy for people who buy in the inner city and have their schools closed due to falling attendance (not me). Neither ill-intentioned opinion helps in a rational discussion though.

Yup, always annoyed the hell out of me when these types go to the media with their "boo hoo, my kid's school is closing, somebody please think about my kids!". If it's not sustainable, too bad for you. I really don't care that you spent more money to move into the inner city. That's your problem. Move out.

[Ducay]

Originally Posted by stampsx2

I loathe the whining and complaining of inner city people who think they're the glue that holds the city together. Without them this city would be nothing.

Maybe the inner city folk should talk to nenshi about funding their communities instead of building a $300 million library in their backyard.

I'm tired of the inner city vs suburban arguement. If you don't like how suburbanites, MOVE! Why would you buy a house in the city if you knew it would have suburbs that you loathe so much.

I live in a suburb, and its not suburbs that GMG, its the way Calgary has allowed the new ones to be developed so much and become the way they are. No sense of community, small things like tree requirements/landscaping, and then you end up with a large percentage of owners that don't care about maintaining their property. Sure, as usual, I'm painting with some pretty broad brushes, but even driving through some of those neighbourhoods is depressing enough, let alone living there.