2 Albuquerque Police Officers finally charged with Murder of a homeless man.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Jets4Life

I still remember the incident in Nose Hill Park, where that paranoid man from Michigan wrote a letter about how "threatened" he felt, when two locals approached him, and ask him if he had been to the Stampede.

That guy was a cop.

[flylock shox]

Incident aside, body worn video like that is something that is long overdue in policing.

[Hack&Lube]

Originally Posted by Hugh Jahrmes

Few years ago company I work for purchased a piece of equipment from a company in Texas. The owner and a small team of his guys were up for about two weeks installing it, calibrating/doing tests, and shooting some videos as it was a prototype that had a new material handling system from their previous models.

Seems when guys from different areas mix, casual stories back and forth can quickly paint a pretty distinct line as far as culture and values. Our safety policies (some company mandated, others law) were ridiculed to no end, and eventually a few of their guys were really pushing the envelope. Apparently the castle law/doctrine is a "get away with murder" loophole in the justice system, and two of these guys were proud as hell of the fact they had supposedly opened fire on unarmed "trespassers" (using the term loosely as I'm pretty sure the main qualifier was skin tone). I remember asking the owner if a shooting range couldn't satisfy his urge to squeeze off a couple rounds to blow off steam.. "It just doesn't feel the same" was a pretty sickening answer.

Scary to think there are "men" with badges who feel the same

One year I took a course at the downtown Sheraton and the instructor was a guy from Texas. He was a good teacher and knowledgeable about the subject material but man...the culture difference was insane and seeping through every pore.

This was a corporate technology seminar. In between modules, he had random political slides about the evils of Obamacare and memes making fun of Obama (I think I remember a picture of a monkey!) and liberals. "Oops, I left this in my slide deck from when I lecture in the U.S." he said. Then he would make fun of Canadian Health Care and the tax system. Telling him about house prices in Calgary shocked him. He would brag about his ranch and hunting animals by shooting them with his pre-1984 full auto M4 carbine from the air by helicopter, etc. He ended up debating a bunch of students about politics and government. He kept trying to explain how Obamacare was destroying the U.S. and taxes and big government were basically Satan. He had no concept of a system where the whole pays toward a system that you might have to rely on someday (whether it be EI or a hospital visit, etc.). He was steadfast in his belief that he didn't want to be paying for any Mexicans and that he could take care of himself and pay for anything he would ever need himself.

This was a corporate seminar for a product from a $50 billion/year global multinational company... This was shocking as he was a smart, rational, down to earth guy. But when it turned to politics he became an "Us vs. them" tea-party advocate and I instantly see that mindset now.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Combustiblefuel, why do you keep telling people how to post? It's not your job.

I'm not telling, I'm asking to keep the clear of bull####. Especially in these types of threads. It ends up just being a bunch of people arguing and name calling each other. Theirs nothing wrong with trying to avoid BS . What's wrong with that? No one wants to read a bunch of posts that read like a highschool drama.

[Lonestar]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Why in hell did they let the dog loose after it was clear the guy was incapacitated or dead? Just seemed ridiculously vindictive. Glad they were charged.

Police dogs are specifically trained to engage the aggressive forearm of an individual in order to render any knife or gun wielding arm useless against the officer.

Having said that, I belong to a law enforcement forum with largely US posters. The actions of these officers were widely condemned by current LEOs and the use of the dog were one of numerous tactical errors by Albuquerque Police.

As a peace officer in training, I am also glad they were charged.




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[Minnie]

Yes I'm aware. But in this video the guy was down. Not moving. Dog was let loose and all he did was go chew up the guy's thigh before being yanked back. One presumes the dog would have been more effective when the guy was standing holding the knives and actually a source of concern. It was clear he was down after the shots - they beanbagged him and he barely twitched. So no need to let the dog loose at that point. Much like wanting to shoot him in the penis, letting the dog have a go at him after he was incapacitated gives the impression it was just done to be vindictive, not because there was any real reason to let the dog loose.

[Lonestar]

Originally Posted by Minnie

Yes I'm aware. But in this video the guy was down. Not moving. Dog was let loose and all he did was go chew up the guy's thigh before being yanked back. One presumes the dog would have been more effective when the guy was standing holding the knives and actually a source of concern. It was clear he was down after the shots - they beanbagged him and he barely twitched. So no need to let the dog loose at that point. Much like wanting to shoot him in the penis, letting the dog have a go at him after he was incapacitated gives the impression it was just done to be vindictive, not because there was any real reason to let the dog loose.

Originally Posted by dino7c

okay Lou can't play because he played last night...but a guy who just lived the movie "plains trains and automobiles" and is still an AHL goalie should go in



sounds legit

As I previously said, I agree with your statements concerning improper use of the dog as well as ghastly tact of the part of APD.

Although maybe not completely clear after re-reading my own original post, my point was the canine is following directions from a human based on training. Just like your dog sits by the back door to go outside... He's following training in the hopes of praise for what you have directed him to do. The dog absolutely would have been better utilized far sooner in this encounter, if at all, which begs the question why the officers weren't trained better than the dog...

Again, I think (as do many other peace officers here in the states) that these individuals were brutal and in no way way in enough of a threatening situation to proceed the way they did. Boyd actually was turning his back and started up the hill before anyone opened fire at him.


Edit: Not sure why it quoted Dino, the pitfalls of using cut/paste on a phone.

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[combustiblefuel]

Police in Albuquerque are refusing to work with the DA officials now.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/a...-against-cops/

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Police in Albuquerque are refusing to work with the DA officials now.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/a...-against-cops/

From the same site:




http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/d...-shake-it-off/

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Bent Wookie

From the same site:




http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/d...-shake-it-off/

I can't see the video. It shows the Video is not available.

I don't get what Dover cops have anything to do with Albuquerque any ways. There is 1929 miles between these two cities.