Treliving on Sportsnet 960. Jan 12 after 2pm

[Scoutski]

They finished by talking about the Dez Bryant incomplete pass in the Dallas vs GB game. Treliving was of the opinion that given the amount of time that players and teams put into preparation, the focus should be to get the result right.

I like that he doesn't want luck to be a part of his results.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

It does feel like we are at a critical junction with the road trip. As well as the Flames have done this year, they are still on the cusp of a playoff spot, with Dallas and Colorado coming on (still waiting for Minny).
I still think they will be sellers (in a small way) at the deadline.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SeanCharles

Well he said there was A, B, C plans so I guess it all depends on where they sit.. I think there are some players you move no matter what plan you are executing due contract status or organizational fit due to upcoming youth etc..

A - Firmly In
B - Firmly Out
C - In the mix

and I'd give those percentages of 5% / 10% and 85% which I think complicates the hell out of things.

My hope is that they stand up and dump assets that they felt they'd dump back in September and ignore the standings. That takes some sack, but its the right thing to do with a young team and prospects on the way. Plus they may just win without those guys anyway.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A - Firmly In
B - Firmly Out
C - In the mix

and I'd give those percentages of 5% / 10% and 85% which I think complicates the hell out of things.

My hope is that they stand up and dump assets that they felt they'd dump back in September and ignore the standings. That takes some sack, but its the right thing to do with a young team and prospects on the way. Plus they may just win without those guys anyway.

We all have our thoughts on who those players are but thats what I am curious about when it comes to who the Flames will move on from.

Who are the guys they move regardless of plan A,B or C?

[UKflames]

This is going to be a great second half of the season with so much going on. Still in the fight for a playoff spot, team is exciting to watch on the vast majority of nights, what moves (if any) are going to be made at the deadline, the positive development of our prospects, such a good time to be a flames fan.

[Badgers Nose]

This rebuild has been a treat, literally as soon as Iggy and Bouw were traded everything about this became more interesting.

[GreenLantern]

Is Bennett currently getting paid his NHL salary while he sits on IR? But it doesn't count as a year of his contract because he has yet to play the 9 games?

If so, good for him!

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We all have our thoughts on who those players are but thats what I am curious about when it comes to who the Flames will move on from.

Who are the guys they move regardless of plan A,B or C?

For me I move Glencross and one of Ramo/Hiller no matter what and if possible Diaz and Byron.

Glencross will have value while Byron, Diaz and Ramo/Hiller may need to move on to make room for some young guys like Bennett/Sven/Poirier, Wotherspoon and Ortio. Don't get me wrong I like Glencross and Byron but we can't keep everyone if we want to make room for the young guys..

If you can move Bollig, Jones or Engelland it would be worth it but they have term left on overpriced contracts so it will be nearly impossible.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by dammage79

We all have our thoughts on who those players are but thats what I am curious about when it comes to who the Flames will move on from.

Who are the guys they move regardless of plan A,B or C?

The guys being looked at in my opinion would be

Hiller
Ramo
Stajan
Jones
Glencross
Byron
Hudler
Smid
Wideman
Engellend

*My gut says Glencross is a guy they move
*Ramo now that he's slid
*Stajan stays for sure
*Hudler has a place as well because of his relationship with Gaudreau
*Wideman is likely to move in this scenario with a good season and a right handed shot
*They plan to keep Hiller but would alter course if they get a big offer
*Engellend, Jones and Smid would be tough to move but they'd be willing
*Byron's days are numbered and likely doesn't have much market

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Bingo

A - Firmly In
B - Firmly Out
C - In the mix

and I'd give those percentages of 5% / 10% and 85% which I think complicates the hell out of things.

My hope is that they stand up and dump assets that they felt they'd dump back in September and ignore the standings. That takes some sack, but its the right thing to do with a young team and prospects on the way. Plus they may just win without those guys anyway.

I am not sure plan A,B &C would look all that much different.

Just my 2 cents of course but
The only UFA that matters if dealt is Glencross. I doubt the plan for him was likely to be based on the standings. They'll keep him if he wants to stay at a contract Burke and co like, no matter where they are. Maybe it impacts if he wants to stay?

I don't think there are many really compelling names to get in the rental pool. Franson? Vermette? Anyone else remotely interesting? There is no gaborik or vanek or even Cammy this year. IMO.

Outside of rentals they need to be on the hunt for D and probably a veteran F or two for the top 6 now or in the summer. If the 'right' deal comes along I think they take it no matter where they sit.

They have a glut of young F all becoming RFAs that they cant keep room for and will want to move a couple out I think. Something like Hanowski for a 5th (not suggesting that specifically - pick whatever player/return you like)

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

Is Bennett currently getting paid his NHL salary while he sits on IR?

IIRC he get's his AHL level of salary.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I don't think there are many really compelling names to get in the rental pool. Franson? Vermette? Anyone else remotely interesting? There is no gaborik or vanek or even Cammy this year. IMO.

You only dip into the rental market if you're after the cup, and even then - proceed with caution, they very rarely work out.

This team is simply not at a point, depth-wise, where rentals should even be talked about.

[Enoch Root]

The guys I think they would be looking to move (in some vague order of priority) are:

Glencross: if they don't have him re-signed, move him (yes, NMC)
Ramo: Ortio is ready to graduate. Plan B: Hiller (all depends on return)
Smid: I think he has become expendable
Wideman: can't move both, but one or the other (him or Smid)
Byron: love him personally, but Bennett, Granlund, Jooris, Shore, Poirier and Baertschi say... move over!

Less likely:
Jones: more likely next year
Stajan: can't see it - maybe next year, possibly the year after

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You only dip into the rental market if you're after the cup, and even then - proceed with caution, they very rarely work out.

This team is simply not at a point, depth-wise, where rentals should even be talked about.

My point is its a pretty shallow pool. Even if they were so inclined I don't think the flames could even do much. Sven and a 1st for Horcoff?

[ThatsRobbery]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

My point is its a pretty shallow pool. Even if they were so inclined I don't think the flames could even do much. Sven and a 1st for Horcoff?

Ah my eyes!!

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

The guys I think they would be looking to move (in some vague order of priority) are:

Glencross: if they don't have him re-signed, move him (yes, NMC)
Ramo: Ortio is ready to graduate. Plan B: Hiller (all depends on return)
Smid: I think he has become expendable
Wideman: can't move both, but one or the other (him or Smid)
Byron: love him personally, but Bennett, Granlund, Jooris, Shore, Poirier and Baertschi say... move over!

Less likely:
Jones: more likely next year
Stajan: can't see it - maybe next year, possibly the year after

Pretty much agree with this. Hard to move any of the recently signed guys unfortunately. Definitely prefer to move Smid over Wideman though. I'm also not particularly concerned if either Ramo/Hiller get moved either at this moment if we are in. Think I'd prefer Ortio to finish in the AHL and hopefully take them far in the AHL playoffs, good experience for him

[dammage79]

For me it's:

Glencross
Stajan
Smid
Ramo
Byron

There is a possibility like Steinberg said that Backlund could very well move as well with that expiring contract, but that's the only realistic reason anyone could come up with when it comes to moving Backlund. He's all Calgary all the time. Aside from the few Backlund haters here that'll be the common line of thought.

Players I think that cannot be moved outside of the core players:
Engelland (cap and players in their first year of their deals with new teams generally dont get traded)
Jones (cap and injury status)
Raymond (cap hit vs. production. ) Unless the Leafs want to take him back I don't think many teams will be knocking on Trelivings door for Raymond. That and I think he'll be back next year and be much better.

The coin flip guy for me is Bouma, from an outside POV, it doesn;t make any sense to trade him but he'll be FA at the end of this year too.

Of the guys listed I don't think Backlund or Bouma will move but you never know.

[Enoch Root]

Bouma should be an easy re-sign in the $2M range as he is still an RFA for the duration of the next contract.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Bouma should be an easy re-sign in the $2M range as he is still an RFA for the duration of the next contract.

I hope him or Byron get moved so they stop confusing the hell out of me, I always get the two mixed up

[Calgary4LIfe]

The two most interesting things to keep an eye on:

1) What will happen with Glencross? My gut tells me a deal will not be worked out unless Glencross has a change of heart and takes somewhat of a discount (which means a raise, but south of 4 million per season, and 3 year term or less). I just don't think he will do so. Will be interesting to see if he waives, Flames sign him to a contract that I think most won't like, or walks for nothing in the off-season.

2) The goalies. I prefer Ramo. I think he has had less 'bad games' than Hiller, but Hiller has had more 'awesome' games than Ramo. Ramo is younger. Hiller has another year on his contract. Ortio has shown he is ready for some regular backup duty (meaning, he is ready for 20-30 games or so, maybe more) due to his strong play in the AHL the last two seasons and a very good first game of the season for him (though that is a very small sample size - I thought his NHL starts last year were between 'good' to 'mediocre', but think he is the future starting goalie for the Flames in the years to come). I much prefer Ramo's style - it is difficult to build a game-plan around jamming the net when a goalie has great rebound control. Hiller is a blocker, and in my opinion, blockers are more prone to having their games fall apart when the defence is smaller, as the bigger forwards can come in and jam the net for those 2nd and 3rd chances more readily.

[heep223]

We better have a plan to replace Wideman if he's moved. RH 4/5 d-man with a cannon and can run a PP and is a good guy in the room? When we are thin at NHL-ready D prospects? Wait why are we moving him again? Yes he has warts but the hole he leaves is far more damaging.