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Old 01-08-2015, 11:39 AM   #21
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Such garbage, if its a certified cheque then its certified and no hold should be applied.

If you're desperate though you could go to one of those 'Cash Stop' places. I think they'll cash just about anything. For a price.
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Old 01-08-2015, 11:42 AM   #22
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Even if the cheque is written from a bmo account? I'm a TD customer myself, not that that helps much since the cheque isn't written to me, but would that really work?
Sorry, I thought that I read above that it was a TD cheque. If it's BMO then take it BMO. Wherever the cheque is written then can verify it and as long as they have the cash on had, will treat it as cashing a cheque for a non customer for a fee.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Sorry, I thought that I read above that it was a TD cheque. If it's BMO then take it BMO. Wherever the cheque is written then can verify it and as long as they have the cash on had, will treat it as cashing a cheque for a non customer for a fee.

Sorry for the confusion.
Okay that makes more sense. We'll try that too
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Alright so the branch manager was a lot more helpful than I expected. This thread may not have been nessesary after all, but it felt good to bitch about it all. I'll find out later if I'm successful or not
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eff banks, they try and bend you over harder than lawyers and orthodontists.......go to a local cheque cashing place - it is the only way to go!!!
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:12 PM   #26
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eff banks, they try and bend you over harder than lawyers and orthodontists.......go to a local cheque cashing place - it is the only way to go!!!
Well I do absolutely detest banks, but those cash checking places are even worse
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Old 01-08-2015, 01:30 PM   #27
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A little late to the party here but as a former CIBC employee for five years, here's some information that may be useful to btimbit and others.

Certified cheque, bank draft, and money orders are all similar in that they are considered "guaranteed funds".

A certified cheque is one that has been drawn on a person or businesses actual account and then taken to the bank to be certified. This involves the bank moving the funds from that account to a bank account (a sticker with this account # is placed over the account number on the cheque). At CIBC this cost more than a bank draft and could only be done at the home branch. Really only useful for a business where the account signatory(s) couldn't (or wouldn't) go to the branch to get a draft themselves. Typically larger companies do this.

Bank drafts and money orders are the same thing, the only difference is the amount. If the amount was over $5000 it would be a bank draft. If under, a money order. If exactly $5000 either could be used. I believe the differences for this are for account monitoring (drafts and money orders have different account numbers) for money laundering purposes.

So basically, in all three cases, the money has been taken out of the account for the person who has written the cheque and put into an account controlled by the institution. This is how the funds are guaranteed. Having said that, with counterfitting being what it is, these cheques still need to be confirmed before the funds can be released. At CIBC all it would take was for the tellar to look up the phone number for the branch that issued the certified cheque/bank draft and give them a call to verify it. Once this was done, the cheque/draft could be deposited without a hold. What I'm confused about is why the intial teller btimbit dealt with didn't do this. The second person (the faux manager - did this person say they were the manager or did the teller say "I'll go get the manager" and then brought that person?) may have tried to do this but was possibly unable to get a hold of anyone at BMO and instead of telling you that decided to pass the buck. Unfortunately there are a lot of people at CIBC that prefer to pass the buck rather than be honest (part of the reason I left).

I assume the branch manager was able to reach someone or at least left a message for someone to verify this cheque. If that fails, as was already mentioned, go to a BMO branch. They may have to do the same thing in verifying it (counterfitting really is a pain for honest people) but should be able to release it. They may not have to verify it though as their systems may not be stuck in the 80's like much of CIBC.

I also saw payroll and Government of Canada cheques discussed. Unless things have changed (and it's possible, I did leave a few years ago), the rule was that up to $1500 (or possibly $2500, I don't recall as I didn't deal with these ofen) can be released immediately for payroll cheques and up to $5000 for Government of Canada cheques. This was on top of whatever access you already had on your account, so if you could access up to $1000 of what you deposited, then for a Government cheque you would have access to $6000.

As a final note, with debit card skimming blowing up like it did most banks have drastically dropped the amount you can access immediately. Even if your credit is sparkling, new accounts are often restricted to the first $1000-$2000. This can be increased but usually only if you are a high value client with a specific financial advisor that you have built a relationship with. If you are a new client you're probably SOL. Banks will often try to get you to lower high limits on existing accounts as well. I've had CIBC try to get me to lower mine "for my own protection" several times. They can pound sand on that one.

TLR Certified cheques, bank drafts, and money orders are all guaranteed funds. The bank has to verify that the cheque is legitimate but can release the funds.

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Thanks for the info. The "faux manager" I'm assuming was just some sort of late night supervisor , as it was after 5.

What's happening is the assistant branch manager is going to call the bank that issued the cheque. Unfortunately they can't do that unless we're present, but we've made an appointment with her for later and also called the other bank to let them know to expect a call. Hoping it all works out

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Probably just a personal banking representative then. I had to do that at my old branch from time to time but I never presented myself as the manager (who wants the responsiblity).

I'm surprised they need you there. Maybe they need to see the cheque. There were a few banks (and I think BMO might have been one) where they wanted a faxed copy of the item before they would verify it. Banks have some really assinine policies.
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Such garbage, if its a certified cheque then its certified and no hold should be applied.
In general this is one of my biggest pet peeves with the banks. I did some work for an organization (not for profit) and we had a $10k deposit. The cheque was issued from the same bank, so they could look and see that the funds were in the account, and we had deposited cheques from this party before. Instead they wanted to hold the cheque and we needed the funds to pay some bills. In the end they wouldn't relent and we just had to delay those payments for a few days.

I just think that the banks take too much liberty with this though. Its not their money, so just do what you are supposed to do to collect the ridiculous service charges and leave it at that!
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In general this is one of my biggest pet peeves with the banks. I did some work for an organization (not for profit) and we had a $10k deposit. The cheque was issued from the same bank, so they could look and see that the funds were in the account, and we had deposited cheques from this party before. Instead they wanted to hold the cheque and we needed the funds to pay some bills. In the end they wouldn't relent and we just had to delay those payments for a few days.

I just think that the banks take too much liberty with this though. Its not their money, so just do what you are supposed to do to collect the ridiculous service charges and leave it at that!
I get that the have to be on the lookout for fraud but the sure seem to take advantage of it at times. Sometimes I swear it's just to do it.
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