Steinberg's Slant: Curtis Glencross

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

This ism was ungoogleable unfortunately. I get why some people think it's funny to use, but now there are so many people that currently believe mind-bottling is the proper expression.

Anyways..

The boggle/bottle thing around here drives me crazy. There has been no point where "mind-bottling" has been used where I haven't thought the user was developmentally challenged.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

The boggle/bottle thing around here drives me crazy. There has been no point where "mind-bottling" has been used where I haven't thought the user was developmentally challenged.

Well, it was used (not in an attempt to be funny) by Warrener, who has taken the odd blow to the head and liver.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well, it was used (not in an attempt to be funny) by Warrener, who has taken the odd blow to the head and liver.

Now that I understand the reference I can almost cope with it. Thanks!

[Imported_Aussie]

Mind bottling = Blades of Glory, Will Ferrell.

But anyway, on to Glencross.
I think he is unfairly criticized, but a player who has been with the team as long and gets a lot of minutes is going to be scrutinized.
I am now sure if he stays, as the Flames may not be willing to commit big $$ on long term. A Short term deal with big $$ makes sense, as it is still a couple of years before the rookie raises become a factor, but Glencross will be seeking term at his age.

[JohnnyTitan]

Would it ever be possible to perform a sign-and-trade in the NHL?

Honestly, I don't even really understand the term but I think it comes from the NBA when a player's current team signs him so his contract is no longer in an unknown status (Like Glencross going UFA after this year) and then they trade him.

I know there's still the no-movement-clause to deal with and I'm not even suggesting this is a good option. Just throwing it out there...why not give Glencross the deal he deserves (just under $5M for three more years) and THEN trade him? If he's only worth a 2nd rounder now, would that increase it to a 1st rounder? Seems like the Flames would be managing their asset better than what happened with Cammy?

Is there some CBA reason that NHLers don't get signed-and-traded?

[Demaeon]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

This ism was ungoogleable unfortunately. I get why some people think it's funny to use, but now there are so many people that currently believe mind-bottling is the proper expression.

Anyways..

It's from the movie Blades of Glory. It's the second result when I Google "mind-bottling", but I guess results may vary.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0445934/quotes

[killer_carlson]

Through 40 games Glencross would have to be our Selke candidate.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Demaeon

It's from the movie Blades of Glory. It's the second result when I Google "mind-bottling", but I guess results may vary.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0445934/quotes

I was referring to GioForPM calling it a Warrenerism, but it's good to know. Why anyone would reference that sad excuse of a movie is mind-boggling however..

Anyways, can a mod please change this thread title to 'Origins of mind-bottling'?

[ramizle]

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[Aleks]

You'd think I never started a topic on the Bottling vs: Boggling debate, and got ripped for it.........You bunch of rookies....

Anyhow, I'm a Glencross fan, I agree he takes off days, but I admittedly as a player also take off days....I know, Im not being paid for it, its not my profession, but some days just work better than others....I think plenty of players are guilty of the same thing.....too bad someone like Glencross who has been quite loyal to the organization and wants to be here gets treated that way by the fan base....

[Erick Estrada]

He's a good player (unfairly criticized at times) and likely a big part of the leadership of the team however I shudder to think of him getting a contract of $5+ million over four or five years given how up and down he can be and the fact that he's on the backside of his career. Flames can afford that today but there will come a time when all these young guys are going to come off their entry level deals and get paid.

[puckedoff]

He has generic same face but other than that he is quite a good player. I think he will be re-signed here, I'd guess he is pretty good buds with King and Conroy.

[Sylvanfan]

Really for 2.5 million dollars a year, Glencross has brought the Flames a huge amount of value. I don't think anyone can refute that. Sure he has flaws...hence why he's paid less than 1/3rd of what a flawless type player would be. He is having a very solid season thus far. But again, he's not a young player, and any year past 2 on his next contract really starts to compound the risk associated with it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

Would it ever be possible to perform a sign-and-trade in the NHL?

Honestly, I don't even really understand the term but I think it comes from the NBA when a player's current team signs him so his contract is no longer in an unknown status (Like Glencross going UFA after this year) and then they trade him.

I know there's still the no-movement-clause to deal with and I'm not even suggesting this is a good option. Just throwing it out there...why not give Glencross the deal he deserves (just under $5M for three more years) and THEN trade him? If he's only worth a 2nd rounder now, would that increase it to a 1st rounder? Seems like the Flames would be managing their asset better than what happened with Cammy?

Is there some CBA reason that NHLers don't get signed-and-traded?

I think it would be very difficult with Glencross because he's made comments earlier in the year indicating he had every intention of going to UFA status to see what his worth was on the open market. Can't see him signing an extension in any situation, unless he's getting 6+million a year, which hopefully will never happen here.

[Bourque's Twin]

This is the perfect year to trade him at the deadline.
IMO, he's not going to be a part of the Stanley Cup contender we are building.
IMO, the Flames won't get better value for Glencross down the road (bigger contract, older).

[wingmaker]

Plus one for the "Glencross is hugely under appreciated" camp. Seems to me that for all the whining about him, his biggest flaw is that he is not under 26 years old. The production for the money is ridiculous. I know that this doesn't much matter on a cap floor team, but it does show how much he wanted to stay with the Flames and how much he loves southern Alberta. I also agree with people who worry about giving him lots of term if he is re-signed, however. Would be fine with a three year deal, even for substantial dollars. I think he is the perfect veteran on a team with lots of youth—able to take the tough assignments and produce positive results while not needing to hog the offensive assignments that many players in his position would demand. If young players take over the top line wing duties in the next couple of years, he can be just as effective on the third line.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I think it would be very difficult with Glencross because he's made comments earlier in the year indicating he had every intention of going to UFA status to see what his worth was on the open market. Can't see him signing an extension in any situation, unless he's getting 6+million a year, which hopefully will never happen here.

If Glenny wants $6 million a year, I would not be surprised to hear a quote regarding him being driven to the airport.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by JohnnyTitan

Would it ever be possible to perform a sign-and-trade in the NHL?

Honestly, I don't even really understand the term but I think it comes from the NBA when a player's current team signs him so his contract is no longer in an unknown status (Like Glencross going UFA after this year) and then they trade him.

I know there's still the no-movement-clause to deal with and I'm not even suggesting this is a good option. Just throwing it out there...why not give Glencross the deal he deserves (just under $5M for three more years) and THEN trade him? If he's only worth a 2nd rounder now, would that increase it to a 1st rounder? Seems like the Flames would be managing their asset better than what happened with Cammy?

Is there some CBA reason that NHLers don't get signed-and-traded?

Sign and trade is used in the nba because the incumbent team can offer greater term and AAV to their own player. Sometimes a new team wants to match that term and dollar, and to do so the incumbent team must sign the contract and trade it to the new team for an asset, with the players consent. Also sign and trade in the NBA allows teams to exceed the salary cap. In the NHL it does not.

In the NHL the incumbent team can offer greater term (8yrs vs 7yrs) but a new team can offer the same AAV, as long as they have capspace. This is a new feature in the most recent CBA. This may lead to a few more sign and trades in the NHL, but 7-8yr deals are only offered to the best players, and those players rarely change teams. An example of this situation would have been when the Wild signed Suter and Parise. They might have offered the Devils and Predators a pick in order to give said players a longer term.

[Mister Yamoto]

Sign him to a retirement contract if he wants one. He has been a great Flame and he deserves it. 113 goals as a Flame.

If players who don't deserve a retirement contract can get one (Stajan) why can't the Flames give one to a player who does?

And besides, what is wrong with paying a person the proper going rate for their job?

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I was a Glencross hater, but this season I've come around. If he ends up with a contract extension at the end of the season I wouldn't be upset, as long as it was at an AAV lower than $5 million. He deserves a raise.

I really don't think he has any value beyond this current contract. When he's engaged he's a good player, but that's only when he is actually engaged. Also, you can already see he's not as quick as he used to be and once that continues to leave him, you're going to end up with a pretty useless NHL player.