Keystone Pipeline: Louisiana

[oilyfan]

Refining heavy crude is what Louisiana does best, it's refiners have geared their processes over the last few years to Alberta heavy. In addition Alberta heavy comes to them cheaper than the shale light, so they prefer it. Certainly the refiners in Louisiana want Keystone XL, and they are big well paying employers in that state.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It's end is in Louisana if I recall correctly.

Gulf Coast of Texas, close to and likely influencing the economy of, but not actually in Louisiana.

[burn_this_city]

Both Texas and Louisiana have refineries that would benefit from the pipeline.

[Vulcan]

Maybe it's reverse psychology, since the Republicans shoot down everything proposed by Obama and the Democrats, the Republicans will vote against this bill too.

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by driveway

Gulf Coast of Texas, close to and likely influencing the economy of, but not actually in Louisiana.

Patoka IL is a major hub. Oil brought in from Keystone will be pipelined on existing, or reversed, pipelines down to the Louisiana pipelines

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

This is the first time that the opposition has been in control of both houses. Usually republican bills would die in the senate before it hit Obama's desk. That's not the case now, and stuff like this will get the veto stamp.

I don't see why Obama would squander the one positive from a republican house and senate, it's a 'get out of jail free' card for this issue, he can pretend he's against it but just going along with the will of the electorate.

Just because environmentalists support the dems it doesn't mean the dems are actually environmentalists

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

Obama will definitely veto it regardless. It's quite a pointless exercise. Also, the challenger for Landrieu happens to be the author of the bill in the house, so she's fighting for her opponent's bill. Brilliant.

He does that and he's just proving to the public that the Republicans are right, he's the one blocking anything from being done and not them. No way he vetoes it

[getbak]

Originally Posted by driveway

Yeah, but there is a difference between expressing one's displeasure and actually acting on it. It's easy to tell a pollster you hate what's happening in Washington, it's harder to go into the voting booth and vote against the gerrymandered incumbent for the only other option, whom you happen to have one or two major differences with, which you consider to be moral absolutes.

The problem is that while people are dissatisfied with the government as a whole, they generally like the individual who represents them locally. People think the problems are caused by the idiots that someone else elected.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Just because environmentalists support the dems it doesn't mean the dems are actually environmentalists

Did you miss that deal Obama just made with China?

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Did you miss that deal Obama just made with China?

The deal with the Chinese is like the deal with the Devil. That deal only stands until the Chinese decide it isn't in their best interests.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by oilyfan

The deal with the Chinese is like the deal with the Devil. That deal only stands until the Chinese decide it isn't in their best interests.

How do you know that?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

How do you know that?

Because they are untrustworthy commie reds obviously.

Shady salesmen, those Chinese.

[Nufy]

Originally Posted by driveway

Gulf Coast of Texas, close to and likely influencing the economy of, but not actually in Louisiana.

The XL portion of the pipeline is only the green section shown.

Steele City, NB to Cushing, OK and on to Port Arthur, TX is already in the ground.

[simmonjam1]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

It's end is in Louisana if I recall correctly.

It's really a dumb project for America because the Oil isn't even staying in the US. It's just getting transported down south so it can be exported from the gulf instead.

This is completely untrue. The Gulf Coast Extension of Keystone ends at the Nederland Texas terminal. From there it can be put onto oil tanker ships or transported via other pipelines to the Port Arthur and Houston refineries. There is also a rail terminal there for transport to other facilities.

The Houston Lateral is being built to come off of the Gulf Coast Extension and will feed the Houston area refineries.

While some of the oil may ultimately be exported via the Gulf, it is a myth that the pipelines entire capacity of 830,000 bpd would be exported. The vast majority of that oil will be refined in the US.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

Did you miss that deal Obama just made with China?

Environmentalism for the dems is like the NRA for the repug's it's good politics, no more. They would throw over either of them if they thought it would win them more votes

[oilyfan]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Because they are untrustworthy commie reds obviously.

Shady salesmen, those Chinese.

Yes that's what I meant.

China has never played by the "rules".

[Violator]

House of Representatives is voting on this today then it will go to the Senate if it passes.

[CaptainCrunch]

It'll be passed in both houses, Obama will dig in and veto it because he doesn't want to disenfranchise his and his parties greatest source of funding and fundraisers.

His approval rating will plummet.

Then it will be open war between the houses and Obama and he will limp to the finish line with no legacy.

[stampsx2]

From hearing obamas comments today, he made it sound like it only benefits canada and not americans in any way. They (canada) want to use our land to ship their oil to other countries.

As far as i know this would still create jobs for americans.

[Violator]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

It'll be passed in both houses, Obama will dig in and veto it because he doesn't want to disenfranchise his and his parties greatest source of funding and fundraisers.

His approval rating will plummet.

Then it will be open war between the houses and Obama and he will limp to the finish line with no legacy.

Hes gonna have to brave another shutdown.maybe approving the pipeline will get him the votes to avoid the shutdown.American politics seems like some kind of third world way of government.