McDavid injury

[N-E-B]

It sucks that he was hurt, but McDavid is the captain of his team. He's their leader, their heart, and their soul. Good on him for dropping the gloves.

But man that sure does suck for team Canada at the WJC if he is hurt.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

I wonder if McDavid missing a significant period of time will lead to Eichel being drafted first overall.

I'd say there's almost no chance of that happening. McDavid is putting up better numbers than Crosby did at his age. It would be extremely hard and stupid to pass that up.

[カナダ人です]

Erie is a whopping 16-1-0-1 in 18 games this year!

Will be interesting to see how they do without McDavid. I know it's a team game, but how much of a difference does a superstar make?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I'd say there's almost no chance of that happening. McDavid is putting up better numbers than Crosby did at his age. It would be extremely hard and stupid to pass that up.

Jack Eichel is scoring nearly 2 points/game in Hockey East as an 18-year-old, which is arguably at least as equally impressive. And this is not something seen since the days when Paul Kariya and Martin St. Louis played what amounted to pond hockey in the NCAA.

[Tinordi]

It's not arguably as impressive. It's not as impressive.

You're comparing Eichel to Kariya and St. Louis, McDavid is outperforming Crosby.

[Freeway]

If anything, McDavid missing time could elevate Dylan Strome's stock.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

It's not arguably as impressive. It's not as impressive.

You're comparing Eichel to Kariya and St. Louis, McDavid is outperforming Crosby.

It is absolutely arguably as impressive. I used only Kariya and St. Louis to provide some historical context to what Eichel is doing right now. It is unprecedented in the current era.

Having said that, I would agree that McDavid is notably younger and projects to be a better offensive player, but I disagree that the margin between them is not small. Both are probably the best prospects since Crosby.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

It is absolutely arguably as impressive. I used only Kariya and St. Louis to provide some historical context to what Eichel is doing right now. It is unprecedented in the current era.

Having said that, I would agree that McDavid is notably younger and projects to be a better offensive player, but I disagree that the margin between them is not small. Both are probably the best prospects since Crosby.

If McDavid keeps up his 4 ppg pace (which is highly highly unlikely) he'll be the best prospect since Lindros or Mario. Eichel is a great prospect but McDavid is at another level.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

If McDavid keeps up his 4 ppg pace (which is highly highly unlikely) he'll be the best prospect since Lindros or Mario. Eichel is a great prospect but McDavid is at another level.

I think you're bad at math:
51 points in 18 games is 2.83333 ppg.
Unless I'm missing something. That's really good, but not 4 ppg.

[UKflames]

Does this mean he could now drop in the draft to the Flames, injuries will do that to you.

[Tinordi]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

I think you're bad at math:
51 points in 18 games is 2.83333 ppg.
Unless I'm missing something. That's really good, but not 4 ppg.

That's why I said it was highly unlikely! :0

I didn't look at the latest points totals, he was at 4 ppg for some stretch. Eitherway, 2.8 ppg is well above Crosby's season which was 2.5 if I'm not mistaken?

The point still stands, McDavid is in his own tier. Eichel is good, but McDavid is the best.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

That's why I said it was highly unlikely! :0

I didn't look at the latest points totals, he was at 4 ppg for some stretch. Eitherway, 2.8 ppg is well above Crosby's season which was 2.5 if I'm not mistaken?

The point still stands, McDavid is in his own tier. Eichel is good, but McDavid is the best.

Crosby's was 2.71, which he sustained through 62 games. So no, not "well above" by my estimation. I disagree that he is in his own tier—at least I am not quite ready to claim as much. By mid season, we will know betters how these two stack against one another.

[waner]

Originally Posted by ExiledFlamesFan

I wonder if McDavid missing a significant period of time will lead to Eichel being drafted first overall.

The only way I see McDavid falling out of the top spot is if the injury appears to be something that will be reoccuring or an ongoing issue.

Other than that McDavid has shown enough, and will have time to show more especially since it seems Erie will go far in the play-offs/Memorial Cup, that scouts aren't going to pass up on the better talent because he missed games.

I know many people have said it is a 1a/1b thing with McDavid/Eichel but everyone also seems to agree that McDavid is the 1a and Eichel the 1b. It may not be a big gap between them but it does seem clear that McDavid is at least a tiny step ahead of Eichel.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

That's why I said it was highly unlikely! :0

I didn't look at the latest points totals, he was at 4 ppg for some stretch. Eitherway, 2.8 ppg is well above Crosby's season which was 2.5 if I'm not mistaken?

The point still stands, McDavid is in his own tier. Eichel is good, but McDavid is the best.

You do realize Crosby only played 2 seasons of junior right? He had 303 points in 121 games including 168 in 62 his second season. McDavid had 165 points in 119 games over his first 2 seasons with 99 points last year . McDavid is no Crosby. Maybe Tavares.

[Rick M.]

Bust. Well, at least his hand.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by T@T

You do realize Crosby only played 2 seasons of junior right? He had 303 points in 121 games including 168 in 62 his second season. McDavid had 165 points in 119 games over his first 2 seasons with 99 points last year . McDavid is no Crosby. Maybe Tavares.

McDavid started earlier. You aren't drafted 16 year old McDavid who didn't match Crosby. You are drafted 17 year old McDavid who's been better than Crosby.

[united]

Originally Posted by T@T

You do realize Crosby only played 2 seasons of junior right? He had 303 points in 121 games including 168 in 62 his second season. McDavid had 165 points in 119 games over his first 2 seasons with 99 points last year . McDavid is no Crosby. Maybe Tavares.

That's because McDavid was granted exceptional status to play in the OHL at 15. Crosby's first season in the QMJHL was his 16-year-old season. "You do realize"?

[Enoch Root]

Impossible to compare when they're in different leagues, but the best metric we have is NHLe.

Obviously the sample sizes are way to small at this point to mean anything at all, but just for perspective going forward, here are their numbers:

McDavid: 69.7
Eichel 62.4

That isn't a huge difference, but it is significant IMO (assuming it continues).

In the modern era, that would put McDavid at the top of the list ahead of Crosby, Kane and (a 20 year old) Gaudreau.

While Eichel's numbers are also very impressive, they leave him behind those guys. McDavid's NHLe is 12% higher than Eichel's at this point (which IMO is a pretty big gap).

It will be interesting to see how they evolve over the course of the season.

Edit: obviously McDavid's numbers aren't going to change for a while, so looking at Eichel, he would need to bump his PPG to 2.1 (currently 1.85) to close the gap.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Impossible to compare when they're in different leagues, but the best metric we have is NHLe.

Obviously the sample sizes are way to small at this point to mean anything at all, but just for perspective going forward, here are their numbers:

McDavid: 69.7
Eichel 62.4

That isn't a huge difference, but it is significant IMO (assuming it continues).

In the modern era, that would put McDavid at the top of the list ahead of Crosby, Kane and (a 20 year old) Gaudreau.

While Eichel's numbers are also very impressive, they leave him behind those guys. McDavid's NHLe is 12% higher than Eichel's at this point (which IMO is a pretty big gap).

It will be interesting to see how they evolve over the course of the season.

Edit: obviously McDavid's numbers aren't going to change for a while, so looking at Eichel, he would need to bump his PPG to 2.1 (currently 1.85) to close the gap.

McDavid has slowed down considerably. He was at 4 PPG through 14 games, now at 18 games he's below 3. It's normal to start off hot. In fact, I bet if we look at Crosby's first 18 games it's similar

[Enoch Root]

Some guys start hot and cool down. Others build over the season. Others don't.

That's why we need more data.