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Old 11-06-2014, 02:05 PM   #21
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It depends if their dreams are stupid or not.
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I think the idea of becoming a good member of society, having a stable job, saving for the future is not for everyone. Once you make those commitments though you need to follow through.

That said I think I could get rid of a lot of crap, downsize, and earn significantly less, and follow a passion if I really wanted to. Most of the things you are supposed to do as part of society aren't neccessary and are social constructs.

I think silver you are too hard on dreamers. Now if the dreamer is also asking to sleep on your couch or for an investment in his dream then get annoyed. But I don't think some duty to society should be a reason not to.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:37 PM   #24
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Sound like somebody wants a pat on the back for working a daily grind and setting up their future. Do you need validation for your boring life this badly?

Go criticize teachers or something.
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Sound like somebody wants a pat on the back for working a daily grind and setting up their future. Do you need validation for your boring life this badly?

Go criticize teachers or something.
Are you kidding around with me? What a bizarre post.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:39 PM   #26
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Are you kidding around with me? What a bizarre post.


He's right Red John.

If there is one thing Sliver knows it's bizarre posts.
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Old 11-06-2014, 02:40 PM   #27
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I don't think there is anything wrong with trying to live your dreams. But a lot of things have to go right for you that are dependant not only on how much work you put it, but others around you. In the perfect world people realize their deams and everything is happy. Reality is that a lot of hard work has to go into it and a lot of things have to go right for you.

My cousin wanted to drop out of her business admin program to go to art school as it is her dream to become an artist. Ok that's cool. But how are you going to support yourself by being able to paint? Are you going to be able to get a job and support yourself if you do that? My ex was perfectly fine getting fired from every job she had and dropping out of school, because she wrote crappy children's books and thought she could live her dream by being an author. That went down the toilet pretty quick and now she has no education to fall back on.

A lot of factors go into it. It's easy to say you want to live your dream life. But when it comes at the expense of your loved ones and impedes you from supporting yourself, then it's a dumb idea. I've always been of the mindset that yeah ,everyone wants to be an NHLer and make millions. But the fact is most won't. You play the odds and have a backup plan to support yourself.

And I already feel that I live my dream life anyway. After having visited many other countries that are no where near as rich as Canada and hearing how everyone has a dream to move here, I get to live that every day here.

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Old 11-06-2014, 02:46 PM   #28
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6 years? SNL writers prepare a show in 3 days.

Shakespeare wrote 37 plays. Most of his work was done in 23 years.

You should read about Ang Lee. After he graduated from NYU he was unemployed for 6 years. His wife worked and he looked after the kids.

Finally his screenplay was accepted.
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I'm sick of following my dreams. I'm just going to ask them where they're goin', and hook up with them later.
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I find a lot of time "pursuing your dreams" just ends up as an excuse to be a lazy twat. A lot of these people also seem to want to pursue their dreams as they see it as a easy way to get rich, when it is quite often the opposite.

For the guy in the letter as an example, does he have any writing experience? Has he taken writing classes? Does he understand the structure of a screenplay and how that differs from a novel? Did he start out smaller and work on short stories, short films etc? Has he talked to people in the industry to get a sense of what is needed to get a screenplay into development?

Or did he think I have a good idea/like movies, sit in front of his desk and think boom here comes the magic?

Too often dreamers think the dream is enough and often society kind of gives them a free pass because dreamers are looked at as doing something noble and likely because we would all love the freedom to do what we want with zero consequences as well.

People who "follow their dreams" and make sacrifices, smart choices and work hard at it likely do deserve some level of respect or credit whether they succeed or not. People who say their are following their dreams and do basically jack all but state that deserve nothing at all.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:04 PM   #31
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Dreamers never achieve a thing, planners on the other hand get **** done.

I don't care what field you look at it's the hard working self critical planners that innovate and do well, music art technology it's all the same, the kid that practises guitar 10 hours a day is the one that makes it, not the one that dreams about being able to play. From the outside they may look like dreamers but they're not, they're harder workers accepting the world and working with it to fulfill their plan.

Dreamers are the idiots that look at the likes of Steve Jobs and think he just followed his dream as that assuages their desire to sit on their arse and complain that the world doesn't understand them.
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Achievable dreams are the way to go - for example, yesterday I dreamt I'd eat some chicken wings after work, and BOOM! I did. Way better than any pie-in-the-sky screenplay.
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The older I get, the more I think that it's us who do the office life, food court, commute, rat race who are out to lunch.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:15 PM   #34
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as i recall dear prudence is a column in the sun -s similar to dear ann/abby.

sometimes you gotta hand it to a dreamer, who keeps at it and gets a break (the only example that came to my mind was Tim Thomas) and cashes in.

if you are a 9 to 5'r who is hooked up with a dreamer, then it is likely hard and frustarting for the 9 to 5'r to understand the dreamer.

sometimes you gotta hand it to the dreamer who is willing to go all in on thier dream - personally, i am more of the 9 to 5'r type.
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:16 PM   #35
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Achievable dreams are the way to go - for example, yesterday I dreamt I'd eat some chicken wings after work, and BOOM! I did. Way better than any pie-in-the-sky screenplay.
very nice - high five!!!
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Old 11-06-2014, 03:31 PM   #36
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Dreamers never achieve a thing, planners on the other hand get **** done.

I don't care what field you look at it's the hard working self critical planners that innovate and do well, music art technology it's all the same, the kid that practises guitar 10 hours a day is the one that makes it, not the one that dreams about being able to play. From the outside they may look like dreamers but they're not, they're harder workers accepting the world and working with it to fulfill their plan.

Dreamers are the idiots that look at the likes of Steve Jobs and think he just followed his dream as that assuages their desire to sit on their arse and complain that the world doesn't understand them.
It's funny that you bring up Steve Jobs. I always thought that he represented a Planner, and that it was Steve Wozniak who was the Dreamer. Not to downplay any of Jobs's achievements, but without Wozniak, he would have spent his life selling life insurance in Delaware.
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My dream is to go out for lunch for a bit.
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Some people are just stupid. Their dreams never get realized because their brains don't work properly and / or they are lazy.

Then there's Sylvester Stallone.
He wrote "Rocky" screenplay one night on a coffee binge - it turned out to be a real good screenplay that a movie producer wanted to buy. Sylvester refused to sell it to the movie producers unless they agreed to cast him as the lead.
Sylvester was so poor, he had to pawn his dog just to make ends meet. Yet he refused to take over $100,000 for the movie.
The rest is history.
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I broke up with a girl because she believed in that awful stuff. How stupid do you have to be to believe that you can sit around in bed all day and then magically thinking about something over and over again will just materialize it in front of you? The real mechanism going on is that you are brainwashing yourself into believing in that pseudo-religion and buying the books and everything.
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