Extending Giordano... how much?

[driveway]

4 years, 8 million per season. A huge cap hit, but short, and a great big fat thank you for everything he's done.

Then, his money comes off the books when we start needing to sign younger players like to bigger-money contracts.

[FlamesAddiction]

Giordano is arguably our biggest star at the moment and will be one of the most sought after UFAs. I think we are going to be giving him a premium... and I am fine with that. We are not going to be a cap team for a while.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by driveway

4 years, 8 million per season. A huge cap hit, but short, and a great big fat thank you for everything he's done.

Then, his money comes off the books when we start needing to sign younger players like to bigger-money contracts.

That is what I was kinda thinking, but 8.5/yr.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by pylon

I just remember back to the days when Gio was nothing more than a fringe player on the team, that sorta looked like Mr. Bean.

What absolutely blows me away is when you watch him do anything on the ice, it is with full tilt intensity. He never coasts for a puck, he sprints, he absolutely refuses to give up on any play, how many shots has the guy blocked with his face now? That is the only thing that scares me. How long can a guy play with that intensity, and stay healthy?

Sounds like any top players on contenders. We're used to the country club here but this is what elite players are supposed to be like.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

4 years, 30m.

Year 1: 7.5
Year 2: 7m
Year 3: 7m
Year 4: 6.5m

That would be a solid contract.

My math was off... I think I'd bump all the years 500k to make it 30m.

Y1 - 8m
Y2 - 7.5m
Y3 - 7.5m
Y4 7m

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by nik-

He's going to have played 3 of his prime years on a discount. He's not doing it again, and that's fine. Pay him his 7 mil a year.

I wouldnt call it much of a discount on the current contract. He has certainly lived up to it + more but does that mean Stajan should have taken a discount after not completely living up to his first contract? IMO You get what your worth at the time and previous under payment/over payment is not factored in.

Russell Wilson is considered a discount - Super Bowl winning QB making under a million per year

[calgary2220]

I would think 4yrs for the 6.5-7mil range. Brodie is the one you will want to lock up for 7-8yr. If we can get Brodie for the long term and around the 5.5mil range it would be a steal!

[FlameZilla]

The Flames played a huge part in creating the Beast that is Mark Giordano. Signed him outta nowhere, gave him the opportunities to succeed and stuck with him through his time in Europe.

You have to think he would take something like $6 or $7 million a season to stay and captain the new generation Flames.

I could see 3 years, $6.6 million AAV being his next contract.

[PeteMoss]

Brooks Orpik just got 5 years/27.5 Million at age 34. Andrei Markov got 3 years/17.25 million at age 35. Neither of those guys are playing anywhere near Giordano right now.

I'd suggest you'd be looking at 5/6 years at 7/8 million coming down a bit as he ages.

[driveway]

Originally Posted by pylon

That is what I was kinda thinking, but 8.5/yr.

Yeah, I would honestly give him a four year contract and pay him anything he wants to sign a contract of that length.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Realtor 1

Assuming his play continues, IMO -
- Takes a slight home town discount to retire in Calgary
- Team will be much better so more enticing to stay with
- Has mentored and been the captain for the majority of the team as they re built
- Worth 6-6.5m per year on a 3 year deal
- Free Agency could pay him in the 7-7.5 range
- Accepts 5.7 to stay with the flames

I think it would be great to have a guy start/stop as a Flame. Not counting KHL of course.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by pylon

That is what I was kinda thinking, but 8.5/yr.

Problem is, I think Giordano could get longer term on the open market. He may not hold the Flames' feet to the fire and ask for a full UFA contract, but he's not going to be leaving much dough on the table.

6 years @ 6M = $36M
6 years @ 6.5M = $39M
4 years @ 8.5M = $34M
4 years @ 9M = $36M

It's going to take an incredibly high AAV and/or front weighted contract to "buy" years back from Giordano. The Flames could argue that if Gio signs a 4 year deal, he could sign another 2-3 year deal at 37 and make up that delta. I'd rather have years on the backend of my contract locked in that worrying about whether I'll be able to make another payday 4 years from now at the tailend of my career.

I just can't see a term less than 5 years and I'm guessing 6 with the first 5 having a NMC and the last year a limited NTC. It's going to be a big contract because Gio has a ton of leverage.

[GreenLantern2814]

4 years at 30m seems right. Gio doesn't need too much credit for taking a home town discount on his last deal. It was pretty much what you would expect to sign for as a 2nd pairing D at that stage of his career. Everyone who stays with their team is taking a hometown discount on some level.

Gio out performed his contract, which is great. This time he will get upwards of 7m, but the only way I see him moving on is if the team has shown no signs of life.

[Northendzone]

on the flip side, his value could be huge on the trade market at next years deadline.

He could easily be the final piece for a team and on a somewhat cap friendly deal.

To me that would be a crappy way to treat him though, but could net the flames some key pieces.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

on the flip side, his value could be huge on the trade market at next years deadline.

He could easily be the final piece for a team and on a somewhat cap friendly deal.

To me that would be a crappy way to treat him though, but could net the flames some key pieces.

No thanks. Assuming he wants to stay (don't see why not), I'd love to see Giordano play his entire NHL career with the Flames. Would be such a great story.

[flylock shox]

Related to his contract value is his trade value. What is he likely to fetch in trade if the team feels it won't be a contender during Giordano's top-flight years?

At the moment I think he's a 7 million dollar player, and a top 10 dman. His trade value is super high right now. The question for the Flames may be whether the team is better off renewing him for 5 years at a high cap hit, or dealing him for younger talent likely to peak with the rest of the core.

Personally I think he renews on a 6 year front-loaded contract with a 6 million AAV.

[saillias]

Trade the good player! He will get even more net good in return! Yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[corporatejay]

Agreed, give him big money but on a 4 year deal so when the kids need to get paid the cap space is freed up. We have money to burn now so front load the shat out of it.

[Ashasx]

Probably 5 years at $8.5 million.

[bubbsy]

5 years x 7-8 million.

i'd like to see him retire a flame.