No one is talking about Hope Solo's domestic violence case?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

If this case gets any traction in the media I can see sponsors leaving and stuff happening.

But as it stands, the only media attention is to National Team success and records. Until those accomplishments are tarnished it doesn't sound like anything will happen.

So, its only bad if the right people care?

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by Locke

So, its only bad if the right people care?

It's all about the Benjamins.

[Pagal4321]

Say it with me....US Women's Soccer is not the NFL. That's unfortunately the biggest issue in this.

[Scoutski]

The NFL has had worse crimes in it's past that have been swept under the rug. I think if a video of Hope Solo came out, there'd be a lot of outrage.

Media seem to be capitalizing on the fact that they have that shock value right now. I'm not saying the crimes aren't a big deal otherwise, they absolutely are and all professional athletes should be held to the highest of standards. That said, I hope and believe that it can bring a lot of warranted attention to a pretty wide-spread issue.

[AndyM]

Originally Posted by Mango

The US national team played Mexico last night. Hope Solo wore the arm band.

Brutal. Yes, please captain her.

I read Solo's autobiography. She's a loose canon and was somehow allowed to take part in the 2012 Olympics, even though she failed a doping test.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Locke

So, its only bad if the right people care?

Basically until there's enough outrage, no one does anything. Case in point: Goodell didn't really start worrying until sponsors started pulling money.

This story doesn't have media traction, because soccer just isn't a big deal in the US, and women's sports in general don't get much media attention. Nike isn't going to pull their deal with her until there's public outrage, and US Soccer isn't going to bat an eye until Nike pulls their deal.

But really, let's not pretend that this is equal to the numerous cases of domestic violence and other pretty awful crimes committed by NFL players on a pretty regular basis. Yes, for Solo's domestic violence case to go ignored is problematic and hypocritical. But the NFL has been sweeping this stuff under the rug, regularly, for a very long time. It is only gaining traction at this moment because of actual video footage of an NFL player knocking his wife out.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I'm just saying the lack of media attention or public outcry is likely due to the rarity of the situation, and an inability to link it to a larger epidemic, than some kind of anti-male, liberal agenda.

According to data out of Britain, more than 40% of domestic violence victims each year since2004 have been males. Abuse against men isn't a rare occurrence but it doesn't get the level of exposure, media time and focus that abuse against female. Violence against women is an epidemic while violence against men is shrugged off as a non issue.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

According to data out of Britain, more than 40% of domestic violence victims each year since2004 have been males. Abuse against men isn't a rare occurrence but it doesn't get the level of exposure, media time and focus that abuse against female. Violence against women is an epidemic while violence against men is shrugged off as a non issue.

Generally when you make a claim like that, you're supposed to provide a link to the study or data in question.

[Street Pharmacist]

Unless I'm missing something, this is far, far, far different. She got into a fight with her sister and nephew at an out of control house party while they were drunk. Now I can agree that it's not conduct becoming a professional athlete but it certainly isn't the same thing.

I can only find this one case of domestic assault.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Generally when you make a claim like that, you're supposed to provide a link to the study or data in question.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...estic-violence

Here is a CBC article discussing the issues in Canada. Statistics Canada says that it is just as likely for a man to suffer abuse by their partner as it is for a woman.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/it-i...lence-1.941702

[Plett25]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's not really as much about vilifying men or creating a double-standard, as it is recognizing that men commit these crimes at a much higher rate than women

Generally when you make a claim like that, you're supposed to provide a link to the study or data in question.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

According to data out of Britain, more than 40% of domestic violence victims each year since2004 have been males. Abuse against men isn't a rare occurrence but it doesn't get the level of exposure, media time and focus that abuse against female. Violence against women is an epidemic while violence against men is shrugged off as a non issue.

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2...estic-violence

Here is a CBC article discussing the issues in Canada. Statistics Canada says that it is just as likely for a man to suffer abuse by their partner as it is for a woman.

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/it-i...lence-1.941702

Originally Posted by Plett25

Generally when you make a claim like that, you're supposed to provide a link to the study or data in question.

http://www.statisticbrain.com/domest...e-abuse-stats/

That site has it 85% of domestic violence cases being women and 15% being men. The DOJ also isn't a particularly accurate place to go for these types of statistics because they often only look at incidents where charges were pressed, police were called, etc.

Here's a pretty good study on the issue, that sort of backs up the UK-paper's claim, but also makes me think they're twisting the facts a bit to back-up the usual MRA agenda.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663360/

I think one thing to take away from the study and to extrapolate to what is perceived to be a double-standard, is that the consequences suffered by female victims of domestic violence are often much more severe than those suffered by men. This shouldn't preclude us from including men in the discussion, but it does need to be noted.

[Street Pharmacist]

I really think we should change the title of the thread. It's extremely misleading and not at all the content of what people are talking about

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Unless I'm missing something, this is far, far, far different. She got into a fight with her sister and nephew at an out of control house party while they were drunk. Now I can agree that it's not conduct becoming a professional athlete but it certainly isn't the same thing.

I can only find this one case of domestic assault.

Can someone confirm/refute this? If these are the facts this is not nearly the same thing as Ray rice and ap.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Can someone confirm/refute this? If these are the facts this is not nearly the same thing as Ray rice and ap.

I remember hearing the 911 call on Jim Rome.

It was something about her beating on her nephew when she was loaded because he was fat/out of shape or something along those lines. The call was placed by her aunt IIRC (I could be wrong...was a while ago) and that woman was terrified without question.

Hope Solo may not be in the RR/AP territory, but she is a vile human none the less and has an affinity for violence.

[transplant99]

Found this about the charges

On June 21st 2014 and just before 1:00 am, Kirkland Police Department Patrol Units responded to a 911 call of a disturbance in the 10600 block of 124th AVE NE. The male caller stated that a female at the residence was “hitting people” and they could not get her to stop or to leave the house. Officer arrived and immediately heard the sounds of the disturbance inside the residence.

They entered and contacted several persons; one being Hope A Stevens (Solo) who appeared intoxicated and upset. As officers made contact, they observed visible injuries on Solo’s 17-year-old nephew and on Solo’s sister. After receiving statements of the persons involved, Officers determined that Solo was the primary aggressor and had instigated the assault.

Solo was arrested on 2 counts of Domestic Violence Assault 4th Degree and booked into the south King County detention facility (SCORE). Solo will have a mandatory court appearance Monday June 23rd at the Kirkland Municipal Court, with the time yet to be determined.

[Johnny199r]

I'm a lawyer in the criminal justice system. Just about every single female who is ever charged with a crime gets treated more leniently by the system. The prosecutors usually don't treat them as tough, judges go easier on them, especially if they had children. They always cry at their sentencing. The female discount is disgusting.

[GGG]

Football has had 5 to 10 domestic violence cases per year for at least the last decade.

http://grantland.com/features/nfl-fo...ence-ray-rice/

It has been ignored as a systemic problem. A few years ago a guy killed his wife kid and then himself and it was treated as an individual incident. So US soccer reaction and the medias reaction to the hope solo case was identical to the NFLs as of June 21 2014.

They did nothing as has the NFL for the past 10 years. If you are complaining about US soccer now where we're you 2 or 3 or 4 years ago when the nfl was ignoring it.

The Hope Solo issue isn't a big issue because people don't care about domestic violence in general until their is a video so graphic they can't ignore. This isn't a man v women issue it's a sports v humanity. So much is done to sweep things under the rugs so the show can go on.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by rubecube

http://www.statisticbrain.com/domest...e-abuse-stats/

That site has it 85% of domestic violence cases being women and 15% being men. The DOJ also isn't a particularly accurate place to go for these types of statistics because they often only look at incidents where charges were pressed, police were called, etc.

Here's a pretty good study on the issue, that sort of backs up the UK-paper's claim, but also makes me think they're twisting the facts a bit to back-up the usual MRA agenda.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2663360/

I think one thing to take away from the study and to extrapolate to what is perceived to be a double-standard, is that the consequences suffered by female victims of domestic violence are often much more severe than those suffered by men. This shouldn't preclude us from including men in the discussion, but it does need to be noted.

I think a huge reason you see skewed numbers rube cube, is because men won't report it, and don't have the same vengeful intent as some women have. I was in a relationship with a girl who regularly got high/drunk, and became extremely violent with me. She'd usually pounce on me and start wailing on me for no reason other than not getting her way, or me not giving her money to buy more drugs. She was maybe 100 pounds, and I am about 230 so I would just laugh it off, and I never called the cops. It finally hit a turning point when she kicked me in the nuts so hard I nearly blacked out. I gathered up all the crap she had at my place, threw it off my balcony, and when she refused to leave, I picked her up under the armpits, carried her to the door, locked her out, and that was the end of it.

I never called the cops, I never tried to ruin her life. She had demons, and I was just unwilling to deal with them any longer. She was on her own, and last I heard she's a hooker now. Had the tables been turned however, and I hit her like she would hit me, I would have either killed her, or put her in the hospital for months and I would certainly have ended up in jail.

So there is one example for you, of being a victim of domestic violence as a man, and it not showing in your stats. It happens.... and it happens a lot to men. We just handle it differently.

However, you probably think carrying her to the door makes me the abuser.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by pylon

I think a huge reason you see skewed numbers rube cube, is because men won't report it, and don't have the same vengeful intent as some women have. I was in a relationship with a girl who regularly got high/drunk, and became extremely violent with me. She'd usually pounce on me and start wailing on me for no reason other than not getting her way, or me not giving her money to buy more drugs. She was maybe 100 pounds, and I am about 230 so I would just laugh it off, and I never called the cops. It finally hit a turning point when she kicked me in the nuts so hard I nearly blacked out. I gathered up all the crap she had at my place, threw it off my balcony, and when she refused to leave, I picked her up under the armpits, carried her to the door, locked her out, and that was the end of it.

I never called the cops, I never tried to ruin her life. She had demons, and I was just unwilling to deal with them any longer. She was on her own, and last I heard she's a hooker now. Had the tables been turned however, and I hit her like she would hit me, I would have either killed her, or put her in the hospital for months and I would certainly have ended up in jail.

So there is one example for you, of being a victim of domestic violence as a man, and it not showing in your stats. It happens.... and it happens a lot to men. We just handle it differently.

Isn't this basically what I said?

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think one thing to take away from the study and to extrapolate to what is perceived to be a double-standard, is that the consequences suffered by female victims of domestic violence are often much more severe than those suffered by men.

Sure looks like it. It's also mentioned in the second study I posted.

However, you probably think carrying her to the door makes me the abuser.

Do you have anything to back this up with, or was it just a sad potshot?