Ryan Johansen contract offers

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Aaron Portzline‏@Aportzline35s

Told Overhardt-Johansen camp has extended a new two-year proposal to #CBJ this afternoon.

"We just heard the news about Horton being injured again... 2 years @ $20 million"

[T@T]

Originally Posted by MikeN

Stamkos, Toews and Kane are comparables? man I'd love to know what his agent is smoking. That's like saying a 93 Mustang LX is on even ground as a GT500. just crazy, Id just leave him and let him rot for a year.

Depends.

I don't know how you can blame players not wanting a bridge deal anymore, just look up north.

[Badgers Nose]

IMO this is the kind of guy that warrants an offer sheet. Surprised no one has bitten.

[GGG]

I think the jackets offer is reasonable and that Johansson should counter with 2 yr 7 which the jackets would take.

The 8yr 40 plus deal would be hard to turn down though as a concussion or a knee injury could leaveyou with nothing.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by JMN

Not sure if already discussed, but here are the numbers offered to Ryan:




The two year offer seems low, but do you guys feel the lengthier offers were fair?

Why give him any more than the 3 million for the bridge contract.... Until the KHL offers him more or Jay Feaster shows up some place and offers him an offer sheet there is no other place he can play.

They want him long term..... If he is just setting up to get the huge long-term UFA deal then he has to take on the risk. Getting more than the 6M for teh two years takes away the risk and still would give him a shot at the 9-10M UFA contract.


PK Subban signed a 2 year bridge contact for 5.5M. He took the risk and now is reaping the reward.

2013-14 Johansen is a great young player but 2011-12 Subban was a clear #1 d-man for the Habs.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by T@T

I don't know how you can blame players not wanting a bridge deal anymore, just look up north.

Wouldn't be surprised if RJ asked for 6x6 the blue jackets would agree. Seeing how they offered 5.75/8 years, would be some wiggle room.

[djsFlames]

I'd be in awe if anyone threw me a contract with seven digits on it. What kind of toxic sludge are these agents feeding these kids that've never seen that much money in their lives? You're a 21 year old kid. How much do you need? Especially in a short term bridge contract. I'd tell my agent to calm his horses and just sign the damn thing. If you really believe you're that good, you don't need the huge dollars now to know you'll earn it later.

[bubbsy]

If similar players that can be used as comparisons (duchene, e. kane, skinner, couture, subban, etc) are to be used as precedent, there are 2 types of 2nd contracts for high acheiving youngsters:
1) 2 years at about 3 million
2) 6 years at about 6 million

Now if we take the salary cap today vs what it was a few years ago when those were signed, and inflate these numbers based on the increase in the cap, those numbers should be higher.

the cap in 2011 (before the lockout) was 64 million, and the cap today is 69. That's a % increase of about 7.8%.

so based on that, 2 years @ 3.24 million or 6 years @ 6.5million.

how the heck did the player/agent get 2 years at 6 million (as has been reported)?!?!

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Maybe when the cap was lower, but with it being 69 million and likely going up, makes him worth 4.5 or so for a bridge deal, IMO.

I read it wrong. 6 per is more than fair. 6 over 2 years is a bit on the lower end.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by T@T

I don't know how you can blame players not wanting a bridge deal anymore, just look up north.

Just look out east; PK signed a bridge deal, and two years later he got $72 million. He wanted $49 originally. Now, factoring in his bridge contract, he gets closer to $76.

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

IMO this is the kind of guy that warrants an offer sheet. Surprised no one has bitten.

Look at it from the other teams' perspective though. At what point does CBJ go 'here, have him'? It's probably an offer north of 7M a year.

If you're a rival GM, do you want to give up 4 1st round picks for Ryan Johansen? Even if he becomes the player you hope he is, four years without a 1st is devastating in a cap world.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Look at it from the other teams' perspective though. At what point does CBJ go 'here, have him'? It's probably an offer north of 7M a year.

If you're a rival GM, do you want to give up 4 1st round picks for Ryan Johansen? Even if he becomes the player you hope he is, four years without a 1st is devastating in a cap world.

Definitely doesn't make sense for almost any team to do it. For those who could afford to give up 4 years of 1st round pick like the Kings, cap is an issue that could end up hurting you even more.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Just look out east; PK signed a bridge deal, and two years later he got $72 million. He wanted $49 originally. Now, factoring in his bridge contract, he gets closer to $76.



Look at it from the other teams' perspective though. At what point does CBJ go 'here, have him'? It's probably an offer north of 7M a year.

If you're a rival GM, do you want to give up 4 1st round picks for Ryan Johansen? Even if he becomes the player you hope he is, four years without a 1st is devastating in a cap world.

I dunno. Do you give up Jankowski, Baertschi, Poirier and Klimchuk for Johansen? I might, depending on what my team was like. I don't think the Flames should given prospect depth is basically the only thing we have going on right now, but a 35-35-70 big center at his age is a tough asset to come by.

If you're a team looking to pick in the 20-30 range for the next four years I think you take a long look at it. Especially given that, if you're the GM, by the time the lack of first rounders may actually bite you in the ass, you've probably moved on to another team.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

I dunno. Do you give up Jankowski, Baertschi, Poirier and Klimchuk for Johansen? I might, depending on what my team was like. I don't think the Flames should given prospect depth is basically the only thing we have going on right now, but a 35-35-70 big center at his age is a tough asset to come by.

If you're a team looking to pick in the 20-30 range for the next four years I think you take a long look at it. Especially given that, if you're the GM, by the time the lack of first rounders may actually bite you in the ass, you've probably moved on to another team.

Any team that can afford to part with the picks likely doesn't have the cap room to add another 7M player. Any offer lower than 7 is likely matched by Columbus anyway, since they're already offering 6/$36, and the most any other team can do is extend that by a year.

So all an offer sheet does is alienate the management of Columbus, and when a team actually needs a piece from the Jackets, they can go pound sand.

I'd have to look long and hard at those four guys for Johansen if I'm the Flames. I think they're all going to be terrific players though, and I don't really think now is the time to sacrifice all your prospect depth. That day will come, regardless. If it happens to be used on Ryan Johansen so be it, but I'd like him to have proven more first.

[MissTeeks]

Aaron Portzline‏@Aportzline22s

New proposal received. New proposal rejected. No progress. Onward. #joeywatch #CBJ

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'd be in awe if anyone threw me a contract with seven digits on it. What kind of toxic sludge are these agents feeding these kids that've never seen that much money in their lives? You're a 21 year old kid. How much do you need? Especially in a short term bridge contract. I'd tell my agent to calm his horses and just sign the damn thing. If you really believe you're that good, you don't need the huge dollars now to know you'll earn it later.

I really disagree with a lot of the sentiment in this post. While I'm sure everyone on this board would be happy to take 7 figures and play hockey, the discussion should be about what Johansen is worth and not how much he "needs". Just because some kids in China are making pennies a day doesn't mean I should be happy taking a 10k yearly salary.

He's the franchise player of an NHL team, the same NHL that is bringing in billions of dollars of revenue a year, he should be paid accordingly to his worth. I think there's a definite argument about whether he is 'worth' closer to 3.5M or 6.5M but I don't agree that he should just accept anything and be happy to play in the NHL at all.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Look at it from the other teams' perspective though. At what point does CBJ go 'here, have him'? It's probably an offer north of 7M a year.

If you're a rival GM, do you want to give up 4 1st round picks for Ryan Johansen?

That (7Mish per year) would be two 1st, one 2nd, one 3rd round draft pick. If you further adjust it down to just the 6.5 he's asking for (and the Jackets are seemingly unwilling to pay) the compensation becomes a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

If that's the case (that the Jackets would match any offer up to north of 7M) then their (CBJ) current posture is silly. If they're willing to pay him north of 7M per on an offer sheet then they should be willing to pay more then 3M on a SPC.

I think if I were a contending team that had the cap space (and all my own draft picks for rounds 1-3) I'd throw him an offer sheet. He's probably better then whoever I'd draft at those lower slots. Of course You'll have a hard time finding a contending team with both all their own draft picks and the cap space.

[BergyBoy]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

IMO this is the kind of guy that warrants an offer sheet. Surprised no one has bitten.

I totally agree based on what would need to be given, sounds like it's somewhere around 12M/2 years

Cap Hit of offer sheet Draft Pick Compensation
$1,110,249 or below None
Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 Third-round pick
Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 Second-round pick
Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 First-round and third-round pick
Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 First-round, second-round and third-round pick

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Five-hole

I dunno. Do you give up Jankowski, Baertschi, Poirier and Klimchuk for Johansen? I might, depending on what my team was like.

They have to be your own picks. It would be more like Baertschi, 2012 14th overall, Monahan and Bennett.

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by Jacks

They have to be your own picks. It would be more like Baertschi, 2012 14th overall, Monahan and Bennett.

I realize that. I listed first round selections we've made that were picks in the range that a team who would realistically make an offer sheet for Johansen would be picking in.

[Jacks]

Gotcha, just assumed you were talking about us.

I can't see an offer sheet being worth it for any team. You have to overpay the player to get him to sign and then mortgage your draft future on top of that. Johansen hasn't proven enough to take that risk IMO.