Seems to me like a routine genetic strengthening exercise. The local species, as it exists in captivity, will be better off for it. Perhaps this will even lead to a stronger, more resilient tallapia population that we can share with the world!
So to all the advocates of zoos or partcularly the calgary zoo:
Do you believe the Tigers live a happy life? What about the pacing brown bear? Or the eagle that has never stretched its wings?
Lets look at one tiger, the male that died of Cancer several years ago. He was a man eater in Siberia and was supposed to be killed, but was taken in by the zoo instead. So dead animal or in the zoo.
I believe more recently to zoo got a blonde black bear. The bear was suppose to be killed, but was sent to the zoo instead as it was rare.
In those cases would you rather the animal in the zoo or killed?
Animals already in zoo systems have the option of remaining in a zoo or being killed, as they couldn't be release. So would you rather them in the zoo used for education etc. or dead. There are some terrible zoo, but the calgary zoo isn't one of them, and animals in the calgary zoo are likely to have a better life there than anywhere else. If they would have a better life anywhere else they move them out (ie the elephants, the mooses, etc.)
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So to all the advocates of zoos or partcularly the calgary zoo:
Do you believe the Tigers live a happy life? What about the pacing brown bear? Or the eagle that has never stretched its wings?
As much as a Tiger or Bear can feel the human-qualified emotion of joy I suppose.
Does the same Tiger feel this human emotion when it's being hunted in the wild? Or starving as it looks to find it's next meal? Or while it dies, slowly and naturally, from some wound it incurred in the wild?
Do Tigers dream? What is life? Do we know that an animal experiences joy when it hunts? That it appreciated the concept of space?
Why the (Lions and) Tigers and Bears? What about the fish? What about the snakes? What about the weird birds? The stupid sloth? The spiders? The gross gross spiders?
I think the Zoos does a great job caring for the animals, and does a lot of good in the conservation of species and the scientific work they do.
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As much as a Tiger or Bear can feel the human-qualified emotion of joy I suppose.
Does the same Tiger feel this human emotion when it's being hunted in the wild? Or starving as it looks to find it's next meal? Or while it dies, slowly and naturally, from some wound it incurred in the wild?
Do Tigers dream? What is life? Do we know that an animal experiences joy when it hunts? That it appreciated the concept of space?
Why the (Lions and) Tigers and Bears? What about the fish? What about the snakes? What about the weird birds? The stupid sloth? The spiders? The gross gross spiders?
I think the Zoos does a great job caring for the animals, and does a lot of good in the conservation of species and the scientific work they do.
I don't know why, but when I read this I'm sure I had an acid flashback
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So to all the advocates of zoos or partcularly the calgary zoo:
Do you believe the Tigers live a happy life? What about the pacing brown bear? Or the eagle that has never stretched its wings?
The tigers in the Calgary zoo are part of a breeding program designed to preserve the genetic diversity of tigers to prevent extinction and enable the release of cubs back into the wild. So a better questions is should tigers be extinct or in zoos.
As for their happiness they appear as happy as my cat. They pace, hunt things, pounce on things lie in the sun on their backs. They do not appear afraid or stressed. They appear to be well fed.
The eagles I believe are rescues, as are all of the bears. In fact there are bear cubs euthanized every year because there are not enough zoos to take them.
The days of going to the wild and capturing animals for zoos are essentially over in modern zoos. So it goes back to the question of do you want these particular animals to exist in a zoo or be euthanized/not be born.
Great, tiger diversity is needed hence the cats perhaps should be kept? I just don't see how this will one day aid wild populations since cats raised in captivity serve no purpose outside.
I just don't understand keeping intelligent animals confined, it completely overrides me.
yes, if the animal was going to be killed in the wild for "man eating" I'd rather it be killed then perpetuate the need for zoos. Zoos are ancient insititutions which are no longer needed, or relics. They have formed a sort of microeconomy of animal trading etc. bah, I know the fanboys here cannot be convinced to you I reccomend the documentery "Black Fish".
Why is a zoo an ancient institution that is no longer needed? I go there all the time and it's cool to see animals I'd never otherwise get to see. You also get to learn about them and watch them interact and observe their behavior. It's a really cool experience and I look forward to taking my kids there in the future too.
Great, tiger diversity is needed hence the cats perhaps should be kept? I just don't see how this will one day aid wild populations since cats raised in captivity serve no purpose outside.
I just don't understand keeping intelligent animals confined, it completely overrides me.
yes, if the animal was going to be killed in the wild for "man eating" I'd rather it be killed then perpetuate the need for zoos. Zoos are ancient insititutions which are no longer needed, or relics. They have formed a sort of microeconomy of animal trading etc. bah, I know the fanboys here cannot be convinced to you I reccomend the documentery "Black Fish".
Documentaries are always one sided (They actually shouldn't be used as evidence in a discussion really as they are often misleading to prove a point). Here is the other side, believe what you would like. Maybe you should think of zoo as something other than archaic, but maybe something that educates and inspires young people to have a love of animals. where else would I have developed a love of Rhinos, Red Pandas, Tigers and end up donating a fair bit of money to conservation programs. You talk about cats serving no purpose outside of captivity, but for example the calgary zoo with the work of other zoo prevented the whooping crane from ceasing to be. A bird that I had the pleasure of seeing many wild ones in their natural habitat now. But I know fanboys can't be convinced.
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Why is a zoo an ancient institution that is no longer needed? I go there all the time and it's cool to see animals I'd never otherwise get to see. You also get to learn about them and watch them interact and observe their behavior. It's a really cool experience and I look forward to taking my kids there in the future too.
Modern documenteries will allow you to observe their real behaviour, not their behaviour in a cage.
Documentaries are always one sided (They actually shouldn't be used as evidence in a discussion really as they are often misleading to prove a point). Here is the other side, believe what you would like. Maybe you should think of zoo as something other than archaic, but maybe something that educates and inspires young people to have a love of animals. where else would I have developed a love of Rhinos, Red Pandas, Tigers and end up donating a fair bit of money to conservation programs. You talk about cats serving no purpose outside of captivity, but for example the calgary zoo with the work of other zoo prevented the whooping crane from ceasing to be. A bird that I had the pleasure of seeing many wild ones in their natural habitat now. But I know fanboys can't be convinced.
How credible can a post be when you provide anti-evidence using seaworld's website?
Well cat/dogs ect used to be wild animals as well. What is your view on pets, terminator?
What are you views about evolution and millenia of human breeding and its effect on cats/dogs Hockeyguy? That will answer the question. Unless you don't believe in evolution.
What are you views about evolution and millenia of human breeding and its effect on cats/dogs Hockeyguy? That will answer the question. Unless you don't believe in evolution.
So you are ok with humans taking animals out of the wild and breeding them to better suit our needs, but you're not ok with what the zoo does?
I would say years of humans selectively breeding to achieve desired traits is more 'offensive' than what modern zoos are attempting to do. I would also argue that humans selectively breeding isn't really evolution as it isn't a natural progression of the species.
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How credible can a post be when you provide anti-evidence using seaworld's website?
because it includes links to the actual legal documents so you can verify what it says. Some people believe industries always out to get them, I don't have extremist views like that.
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Great, tiger diversity is needed hence the cats perhaps should be kept? I just don't see how this will one day aid wild populations since cats raised in captivity serve no purpose outside.
Please expand on this. Do zoo/rehabilitated tigers not take to being reintroduced to the wild?
I'd rather it be killed then perpetuate the need for zoos. Zoos are ancient insititutions which are no longer needed, or relics.
I'm going to echo Outofthecube here and ask you to expand on this with two questions:
How is an animal destroyed by man better than an animal in the zoo (and how does this relate back to your concern with animal happiness/what is the chemical evidence behind death producing more endorphins than years of captive life)?
What purpose(s) that zoos provide have been replaced by other, more "modern" institutions?
So you are ok with humans taking animals out of the wild and breeding them to better suit our needs, but you're not ok with what the zoo does?
I would say years of humans selectively breeding to achieve desired traits is more 'offensive' than what modern zoos are attempting to do. I would also argue that humans selectively breeding isn't really evolution as it isn't a natural progression of the species.
No I'm not ok with it, but can you suggest a method to remedy the situation? Dogs and Cats are not domesticated, they have no choice but to rely on humans for sustinence.
