Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community

Go Back   Calgarypuck Forums - The Unofficial Calgary Flames Fan Community > Main Forums > Fire on Ice: The Calgary Flames Forum
Register Forum Rules FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 09-03-2014, 10:58 PM   #21
Fire of the Phoenix
#1 Goaltender
 
Fire of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
Exp:
Default

Rather have Krejci and Bergeron at their cap hits than Kane and Toews at theirs. I think Boston did okay here.
Fire of the Phoenix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2014, 11:18 PM   #22
cowtown75
Powerplay Quarterback
 
cowtown75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix View Post
Rather have Krejci and Bergeron at their cap hits than Kane and Toews at theirs. I think Boston did okay here.

Kane and Toews can actually score though. Love Krejci and Bergeron, but I would take the former in a heartbeat for more money. Too much talent with those two.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
cowtown75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2014, 11:23 PM   #23
Street Pharmacist
Franchise Player
 
Street Pharmacist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JiriHrdina View Post
11th in centre scoring last year
Plays a good 2 way game
Makes those around him better (look at Iginla's year)
Good on faceoffs
6 of his 19 goals this year were game winners
Monster in the playoff

How is that not a #1 centre?
Doesn't play in the west on a team we watch enough
Street Pharmacist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2014, 11:24 PM   #24
cowtown75
Powerplay Quarterback
 
cowtown75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
Exp:
Default

Never thought Id see the day where a 19 goal scorer got 7 million for 6 years. Of course he has other qualities such as clutch playoff times ( not last year) but I guess the times are a changing. Speaking of clutch playoff performances, I bet Briere wished he was paid on those.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
cowtown75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-03-2014, 11:51 PM   #25
gilligans_off
Powerplay Quarterback
 
gilligans_off's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Exp:
Default

It's just like Ryan Kesler's last deal. Just watch for Kesler's next year. This deal will look good I bet.

Last edited by gilligans_off; 09-03-2014 at 11:54 PM.
gilligans_off is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gilligans_off For This Useful Post:
Old 09-03-2014, 11:58 PM   #26
Mr.Coffee
damn onions
 
Mr.Coffee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtown75 View Post
Never thought Id see the day where a 19 goal scorer got 7 million for 6 years. Of course he has other qualities such as clutch playoff times ( not last year) but I guess the times are a changing. Speaking of clutch playoff performances, I bet Briere wished he was paid on those.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I think it's disingenuous to say "only 19 goals" without adding the FIFTY assists................. as in 50.

Lots of other intangibles he brings too. Faceoffs and puck possession are also huge components of the game, particularly in playoffs in tight games so yeah, he is pretty good at that too.

It's the term that I have an issue with not the dollar value.
Mr.Coffee is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Mr.Coffee For This Useful Post:
Old 09-04-2014, 12:10 AM   #27
Locke
Franchise Player
 
Locke's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gilligans_off View Post
It's just like Ryan Kesler's last deal. Just watch for Kesler's next year. This deal will look good I bet.
Oh, I doubt it, otherwise someone is getting taken to town.
__________________
The Beatings Shall Continue Until Morale Improves!

This Post Has Been Distilled for the Eradication of Seemingly Incurable Sadness.

The World Ends when you're dead. Until then, you've got more punishment in store. - Flames Fans

If you thought this season would have a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention.
Locke is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 12:12 AM   #28
Textcritic
Acerbic Cyberbully
 
Textcritic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gilligans_off View Post
It's just like Ryan Kesler's last deal. Just watch for Kesler's next year. This deal will look good I bet.
How is this like Kesler's last deal?
__________________
Dealing with Everything from Dead Sea Scrolls to Red C Trolls

Quote:
Originally Posted by woob
"...harem warfare? like all your wives dressup and go paintballing?"
"The Lying Pen of Scribes" Ancient Manuscript Forgeries Project
Textcritic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 01:23 AM   #29
driveway
A Fiddler Crab
 
driveway's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Chicago
Exp:
Default

With Bergeron and Krejci, the Bruins have two centres who put up between .70 and .85 points per game and who are both defensively responsible.

The only other Eastern team with better depth at Centre is Pittsburgh with Crosby and Malkin. This move positions the Bruins to be contending for Eastern Conference Championships for several years to come.

Good signing.
driveway is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 08:53 AM   #30
Fire of the Phoenix
#1 Goaltender
 
Fire of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtown75 View Post
Kane and Toews can actually score though. Love Krejci and Bergeron, but I would take the former in a heartbeat for more money. Too much talent with those two.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
With Krejci and Bergeron, you could afford a whole other 7m player under the cap all things being equal. It's not like Toews and Kane are perennial PPG players either. It's actually ludicrous to say Chicago's duo is 50% better than Boston's.
Fire of the Phoenix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 08:58 AM   #31
GreenLantern
One of the Nine
 
GreenLantern's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Space Sector 2814
Exp:
Default

Krejci is the type of center every team needs, good signing for the Bruins.
__________________
"In brightest day, in blackest night / No evil shall escape my sight / Let those who worship evil's might / Beware my power, Green Lantern's light!"
GreenLantern is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 08:59 AM   #32
Iggy3x
Crash and Bang Winger
 
Iggy3x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Exp:
Default

May seem a little much first, but Krejci is consistent. As long as he keeps his current production for the duration of the contract, this will be a fair signing.
Iggy3x is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 09:18 AM   #33
Fire of the Phoenix
#1 Goaltender
 
Fire of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gilligans_off View Post
It's just like Ryan Kesler's last deal. Just watch for Kesler's next year. This deal will look good I bet.
I think Kesler's stock is due for a market correction. 2011 is an a long time ago and he hasn't looked nearly as good since. He'll still get a nice contract I'm sure but whatever team gives it to him will regret it IMO. He's headed on a Mike Richards trajectory.
Fire of the Phoenix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 09:21 AM   #34
FlamesAddiction
Franchise Player
 
FlamesAddiction's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
Exp:
Default

Good deal IMO.

I am hard pressed to find another center as well rounded and consistent as he is. He is the type of player that you win championships with.
__________________
"A pessimist thinks things can't get any worse. An optimist knows they can."
FlamesAddiction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 09:24 AM   #35
Poe969
Franchise Player
 
Poe969's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
Exp:
Default

This is a TERRIBLE deal! The bruins should just trade him to us as a cap dump....

This deal is on par with what he deserves and seems fair to both the player and team. Imagine what he would have got on the open market in July....It's smart for the B's to keep their important players and keep them happy too.
__________________
Fan of the Flames, where being OK has become OK.
Poe969 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-04-2014, 09:34 AM   #36
PeteMoss
Franchise Player
 
PeteMoss's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
Exp:
Default

People are going to flipping out when some of our guys come up for free agent if you're thinking this is an overpayment.

He'll be 29 when this contract starts and 35 when it expires. Its not like they are paying him until he's 40.
PeteMoss is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2014, 03:00 AM   #37
cowtown75
Powerplay Quarterback
 
cowtown75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee View Post
I think it's disingenuous to say "only 19 goals" without adding the FIFTY assists................. as in 50.



Lots of other intangibles he brings too. Faceoffs and puck possession are also huge components of the game, particularly in playoffs in tight games so yeah, he is pretty good at that too.



It's the term that I have an issue with not the dollar value.

Krejci has been in the league 8 years now. Yes he had 50 assists last year which is awesome these days- not sure how many of them were 1st assists but either way. He seems to be a 20 goal guy, if lucky, and a 40-50 asst guy going foward.

My point was, and I already said he had other qualities by the way, was that times have changed a lot and seeing someone put up 69 points getting over 7 mill a year for 6 years regardless of intangibles is arguably wild. I understand his importance on the team- but everyone has a role. The guy is making near Crosby money long term and it doesnt make sense. Brad McCrimmon, a defenceman used to put up his numbers.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
cowtown75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2014, 03:07 AM   #38
cowtown75
Powerplay Quarterback
 
cowtown75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Airdrie
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix View Post
With Krejci and Bergeron, you could afford a whole other 7m player under the cap all things being equal. It's not like Toews and Kane are perennial PPG players either. It's actually ludicrous to say Chicago's duo is 50% better than Boston's.

Boston has no cap space. Either does Chicago. All things being equal, Toews and Kane keep getting better and have 2 cups under their belt. And yes, both Kane and Toews are PPG players. What Toews and Kane are you watchin ? If I'm pickin two guys, hands down Toews and Kane. It's a no brainer.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
cowtown75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2014, 08:48 AM   #39
Fire of the Phoenix
#1 Goaltender
 
Fire of the Phoenix's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
Exp:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by cowtown75 View Post
Boston has no cap space. Either does Chicago. All things being equal, Toews and Kane keep getting better and have 2 cups under their belt. And yes, both Kane and Toews are PPG players. What Toews and Kane are you watchin ? If I'm pickin two guys, hands down Toews and Kane. It's a no brainer.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I said "perennial" PPG players. You should use Google and read up on their stat lines.

The difference between Kane and Krejci in terms of stats is basically 5-10 extra goals per year from Kane. Yeah he's close to a PPG player, just not every year. 1 year at 88 points seems to be the outlier along with the lockout year. He's basically a 75 point winger which is awesome but is it 50% more valuable than the much better defensive player who is also a center and is basically a 65 point player himself? I dont see how.

Toews has got 1 PPG season under his belt so I'd call him more of a 70 point guy (again judging by his stats) but he's also slightly better than Krejci defensively.

So, in conclusion.... they're better but not 50% better... which was my point. They are clearly being rewarded for 2 cup wins and 1 Smythe each which is great but I think they'll have the same problems the penguins have going forward with too much money invested into 2 players. The 2 penguins are coincidently PPG players themselves and actually make less than Chicago's duo.
Fire of the Phoenix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-05-2014, 09:02 AM   #40
BACKCHECK!!!
First Line Centre
 
BACKCHECK!!!'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: TEXAS!!
Exp:
Default

I like Krejci, but still think it's a bit steep.

I'd say its either a year too long, or $1m too rich, but not catastrophic either way.
__________________
I am a lunatic whose world revolves around hockey and Oilers hate.
BACKCHECK!!! is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:02 PM.

Calgary Flames
2024-25




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright Calgarypuck 2021 | See Our Privacy Policy