Diversity in the mod team

[Dion]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Was this a subtle not so subtle way of asking to be a mod?

I hope not!

[photon]

I think having a Canucks or Oilers fan as a mod would be awesome, but I'm probably in the minority.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by photon

I think having a Canucks or Oilers fan as a mod would be awesome, but I'm probably in the minority.

Oiler fan? Maybe
Canuck fan? No way

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Who cares if someone feels less welcome here if no one is breaking any rules?

This pretty much sums up my point (and displays a shining example of privilege) quite nicely.

[Hanna Sniper]

CP already has a minority as a mod




JiriHrdina is a Mexican..

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

CP already has a minority as a mod




JiriHrdina is a Mexican..

That might've been my favourite meltdown of all time. Shergill was close, but the insanity that guy was spewing was amazing.

[Jbo]

Originally Posted by photon

I think having a Canucks or Oilers fan as a mod would be awesome, but I'm probably in the minority.

Blasphemy!!!!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

CP already has a minority as a mod




JiriHrdina is a Mexican..

and Bingo is a paste eater.

[Antithesis]

Originally Posted by nik-

and Bingo is a paste eater.

A CDC paste-eating troll, to be exact.

Really weird how people are upset about or against this idea. Why shouldn't we check in to see if some under-represented groups are interested in lending their perspectives to the moderation team? I don't really see how we have anything to lose, though we have much to gain.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Antithesis

A CDC paste-eating troll, to be exact.

Really weird how people are upset about or against this idea. Why shouldn't we check in to see if some under-represented groups are interested in lending their perspectives to the moderation team? I don't really see how we have anything to lose, though we have much to gain.

That's kind of my thought. Why are so many of the dudes here threatened by this? Some of the answers appear to be in that barber shop thread, where women who complain about discrimination are just looking to stir up trouble. We've also seen it in other threads were sexual harassment has been discussed and some of the male posters have rolled their eyes and basically told the woman to get over it, or complained about the woman bringing the harassment to the media's attention. I think there is a sever lack of empathy and sensitivity towards these issues by some of the posters on this site.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by rubecube

That's kind of my thought. Why are so many of the dudes here threatened by this? Some of the answers appear to be in that barber shop thread, where women who complain about discrimination are just looking to stir up trouble. We've also seen it in other threads were sexual harassment has been discussed and some of the male posters have rolled their eyes and basically told the woman to get over it, or complained about the woman bringing the harassment to the media's attention. I think there is a sever lack of empathy and sensitivity towards these issues by some of the posters on this site.

My thing (and btw you're right about me boneheadedly not actually reading your post before responding earlier, my apologies for that) is not against the addition of extra representation.

I'm on the side of not wanting to mess with a good thing. We don't have any overhanded reactions or public displays of wonkiness by our current mod team. From my own experience on the Internet, Calgarypuck is a rarity in that regard. That is a major, major reason why this place thrives the way it does. People can be relaxed here, and that's a good thing.

I guess I'm just afraid of introducing more personalities with mod powers into the mix. Mind you, EasternGirl is very chill, wittynickname too, so maybe I'm just being typical with my reactions and not really thinking it through. In terms of racial representation, I don't really know if that's an ideal approach to things. Like, honestly, I have no idea about that. As in, I'm clueless about that stuff. I don't really care that much someone's race, so unless they actively tell me that info, I have no idea. And even if I do know, it doesn't really change anything.

Typing all this out, I've just come to realize that only thing I really, truly care about on this board is grammar. Actually, not just grammar, but the whole thing. Spelling, punctuation, understanding the difference between "poll vs pole" or "their, they're, there" etc. It's not about education, it's about comprehension and demonstrating that you've actually read a few things here and there. You could be the smartest guy on the planet, but if you're posting your stance on voting in "poles," then what you're really telling me is that you haven't actually read very much about polls at all...

Sorry, I've gone way off track. Seriously, though, add a mod or don't add a mod. Just keep things chill and don't make my eyes bleed when I read your stuff.

(I'm saying that part to people general. I've quoted rube, but I'm not saying that to rube. His posts are obviously fine.)

(Also, I'm shutting the fook up now.)

[rubecube]

Yeah, I don't really dig the don't mess with a good thing argument if enough people are feeling that the current situation isn't great for them, and is contributing to them wanting to withdraw from the community. If a new mod gets too heavy handed, they can easily be stripped of their powers.

[Hanna Sniper]

Adding to cater to diversity is never a good thing if you ask me... You add because you believe the person you are adding is an asset for the task at hand. When the main factor is the colour of their skin or whats between their legs is the main driving factor, then it's process is completely flawed.

If you have two equal candidates and the only dividing factor is one is a minority and the other isn't...Then that's no different... as soon as you put colour or sex into any decision you are being sexist or raciest regardless which side of the line you walk. The only way we can ever achieve equality is by not using sex or colour period

Unless someone states the fact I have zero clue if a moderator is male/female/Black/white/pink or from Mars. And to be honest I really don't care.

I have been of forums before where I have been the minority and I've felt no different about my view in regards to that forum and I do here

If you feel something needs moderating then report it, if the site doesn't agree with you then you have the decision to not aline yourself with a site that doesn't share your views

[photon]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

You add because you believe the person you are adding is an asset for the task at hand.

Of course, and the perspective they bring is one of the assets of a moderator, so targeting someone that brings a different perspective is valid IMO.

A separate topic, but "The only way we can ever achieve equality is by not using sex or colour period" ideally sure but in practice it doesn't happen, or doesn't happen to the degree it should, or takes too long to happen "organically". Canada has employment equity and other countries have forms of affirmative action to try and balance the scales.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by photon

Of course, and the perspective they bring is one of the assets of a moderator, so targeting someone that brings a different perspective is valid IMO.

targeting a different perspective is a great thing but using race/sex decriminalization to get it isn't. Target the perspective regardless if the member is boy/girl.green/blue not target a different colour/sex with the belief it bring a different perspective is flawed

It boggles my mind how its ok to use discrimination to fight discrimination. Rising above it and not discriminating is the only way we can ever defeat it

For example
If the goal is to bring a minority friendly perspective to the mod team then the goal should be to find a member that post in that manner, who alrady brings that perspective to threads and discussions. There should never been a need that their colour of skin or sex be considered be in the consideration.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

targeting a different perspective is a great thing but using race/sex decriminalization to get it isn't. Target the perspective regardless if the member is boy/girl.green/blue not target a different colour/sex with the belief it bring a different perspective is flawed

It boggles my mind how its ok to use discrimination to fight discrimination. Rising above it and not discriminating is the only way we can ever defeat it

It's not discrimination, dude, it's reality. Do you think a straight, white dude, who's never dealt with sexual harassment, fears of being raped, outright misogyny is going to be able to spot posts that represent those things as easily as woman who has experienced. Empathy goes a long way, but it falls short of personal experience and the lived emotions of people who actually deal with these issues.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by rubecube

It's not discrimination, dude, it's reality. Do you think a straight, white dude, who's never dealt with sexual harassment, fears of being raped, outright misogyny is going to be able to spot posts that represent those things as easily as woman who has experienced. Empathy goes a long way, but it falls short of personal experience and the lived emotions of people who actually deal with these issues.

BTW I'm not your dude.

It makes me sad when people just don't get it

All those things you mention above can happen to anyone regardless of sex or race and equally just as wrong As you allow it ok to segregate one person then you are no better then those you accuse.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

It boggles my mind how its ok to use discrimination to fight discrimination. Rising above it and not discriminating is the only way we can ever defeat it

If you're boggled then read up on affirmative action, you may not agree but you'll be less boggled.

Because just saying "ok everyone's equal" has already happened and be you female, black, gay, etc it clearly hasn't resulted in discrimination being risen above yet. Either we wait a dozen more generations, or we take more positive actions now.

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

For example
If the goal is to bring a minority friendly perspective to the mod team then the goal should be to find a member that post in that manner, who alrady brings that perspective to threads and discussions. There should never been a need that their colour of skin or sex be considered be in the consideration.

In theory you are right. But what if there are no posters who post in that manner because they are marginalized when they do so? Pretty much to a woman all the women here have said they post less or stay away because of what is posted. If there is no existing perspective then it has to be brought in.

If I want a woman's perspective I can ask anyone, but my chances of getting a uniquely female perspective increases if I talk to women. If I want a perspective of someone who's been marginalized I increase my chances of getting that by talking to groups who are marginalized.

Women still have a difficult time getting into certain industries, not because they aren't equal, not because they aren't competent, and not (or not necessarily it probably does happen but I'm ignoring that now) because the men in those industries are consciously trying to exclude them. It's because when someone hires someone they hire someone they know, or hire someone that knows someone, or hire someone with good feedback from others in the industry, so there's a bias towards established members, which in some cases happens to be men. That bias requires some kind of balance to overcome.

The same does happen in reverse in areas dominated by women, it's just less common.

[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by photon

Because just saying "ok everyone's equal" has already happened

Saying and doing are two different things. You can say you want to stop discrimination but your actions show that you feel discrimination is that way to achieve it.... it's an endless loop that will never change

If you are correct in saying "in theory you are right" then that only matters if ones actions support the theory. The only way to beat discrimination is with forgivness, knowledge and understanding not by discrimination

I really don't see anywhere in our profile that states my sex/race and it should remain that way

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Canuck fan? No way

And yet...

I was ahead of my time. Banned how many people that you saps unbanned only to ban yourselves later. The blue, green and red colour scheme looked nicer too.

Originally Posted by photon

I think having a Canucks or Oilers fan as a mod would be awesome, but I'm probably in the minority.

Then let me ride again. You know I'm good for it! It'll be like the good ol' day!