Fake Jersey Epidemic spreads to CFL

[pylon]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

What are you talking about? What is the net public benefit to counterfeit jerseys, cheaper jerseys? Owning a stamps jersey isn't a right or even a necessity, it is the definition of luxury. By that logic we should all steal tom ford suits to bring down the market failure of their extremely expensive suits.

Whoa there champ.

It is the god given right, for some people to own SQNY televisions, Rolax watches, and Hogu Buss suits. How else are organized crime leaders and terrorist organization Generals gonna put food on the table?

[Tyler]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Owning a stamps jersey.. is the definition of luxury.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by SebC

Net public benefit is the sum of consumer surplus and producer surplus. It is optimized when prices are competitive, rather than monopolisitic. Counterfeit jerseys are a market-priced product - ergo, net public benefit increases.

They are stealing trademarks and brands. It's stealing of a property period. Net public benefit is completely irrevant.

Can everyone just take your car without asking you when you are not using it? There would be a net positive benefit.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

They are stealing trademarks and brands. It's stealing of a property period. Net public benefit is completely irrevant.

Net public benefit is relevant. It's why copyrights and patents expire.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by SebC

Net public benefit is relevant. It's why copyrights and patents expire.

You want to show me where that's true, if it is I'm sure I'll be able to find how your using it out of context.

For instance I'm sure the NFL could derive more benefit out of the flaming C by giving it to whoever moves a franchise to Los Angeles to be called the California Flames, therefore Calgary isn't entitled to the TM anymore? I'm positive the net public benefit is positive given the sheer size of population alone.

FWIW i looked up ways you can lose a TM and 'net public benefit' wasn't even close to one of the reasons.

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

The main reason I posted this thread is to make sure some of you eBayers are aware that Fakes CFL jerseys exist.

$90 for a fake Cornish jersey is no bargain.

[SebC]

My point is that "stealing is bad, period" is making a black-and-white issue out of a grey one - particularly where intellectual property is concerned. I presented the expiration of patents and copyrights as evidence that "stealing" for the public good is acknowleged as reasonable.

Maybe trademarks don't expire due to net public benefit, but as long as the knockoffs aren't being sold as genuine, if we acknowlege that the issue is grey then there's room to disagree with the OPs assessment that they're an epidemic.

[savemedrzaius]

I bought a fake Leafs jersey here in China for about 15 bucks and it is awesome. I really doubt anyone could find a difference between an authentic. I got a Kadri jersey and the numbers and name are stitched on. Looks awesome. Why should I buy an authentic for a hugely inflated price? I can understand wanting to support your team, especially a CFL team, but for almost $200. Come on! Why does it cost that much?

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I bought a fake Leafs jersey here in China for about 15 bucks and it is awesome. I really doubt anyone could find a difference between an authentic. I got a Kadri jersey and the numbers and name are stitched on. Looks awesome. Why should I buy an authentic for a hugely inflated price? I can understand wanting to support your team, especially a CFL team, but for almost $200. Come on! Why does it cost that much?

I will bet you an authentic jersey that I can easily tell you the differences between a knock off and an authentic. Without even seeing it I can already guess what the fight strap looks like.

Why should you buy an authentic for an inflated price? You absolutely don't have to, nor should you, if you can't justify paying $300. That said, you are in no way entitled to own one, and you never need an authentic jersey. If you can't/won't pay for an authentic jersey, then why does it make it okay to steal one? There are other options. You could buy a jersey t-shirt for $20. You can buy the officially licensed replica (Reebok Premier) jerseys. These are $135 at regular price. They go on sale, there are coupons, can be requested as Christmas gifts, etc., so you don't have to pay full price for them. There were some Flames jerseys about a month ago going for $28. I bought an authentic one a couple years ago for $100. I think I own four authentic jerseys, and a bunch of Premier/Edge jerseys, and not once did I pay full price, but I did buy them all from a licensed vendor.

If you like the style, look, trademark and patents so much, then pay for it. Buying a knockoff doesn't support the team, and for the most part, the jerseys look awful. It's easy to spot the fake jerseys in the Dome. The HC ones look bright pink and yellow, the home ones red is too dark, and most of the numbers are glossy and fading. I feel the same about knockoff LV/Burberry/Prada wallets and purses. The ones who buy it clearly are trying to fit in or act like they have the real deal. Nobody says they really just love the LV pattern, but wishes it was cheaper. LV is a status symbol. The people buying the fakes want people to think they have a higher status. For what they spent on the knockoff, they could have gotten a comparable purse from a brand that has gone through the correct channels, paid taxes, and is a better corporate citizen.

Just because you deem the price to be high, is no excuse to buy a knock off. You wouldn't like it if someone did that with your business.

[FlamesFanStrandedInEDM]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I bought a fake Leafs jersey here in China for about 15 bucks and it is awesome. I really doubt anyone could find a difference between an authentic.

I guarantee I could find at least 5 differences in the quality.

[DownhillGoat]

Originally Posted by savemedrzaius

I really doubt anyone could find a difference between an authentic.

Not that I'm the first to say this, but if we're putting money on it I'll take that bet.

Fata you can pick fake jerseys out of the crowd on TV.

[Magnum PEI]

The Stamps store at McMahon has game-worn jerseys for only $25 more than the replica numbered ones. Much nicer quality, but it looked like mostly second-stringers left.