08-21-2014, 09:42 AM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
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08-21-2014, 09:48 AM
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#22
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Actually Sven is 10 months older than Gaudreau.
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You're right, my mistake.
Still don't think they are that far on the development curve that one can be considered in a totally different stage of his career.
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08-21-2014, 09:55 AM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Depending on how things shake out, the hiring of Brian Burke may be a success for this franchise if not for the singular reason of disallowing Jay Feaster from ruining Sven Baertschi's pro career.
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08-21-2014, 09:59 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Salmon with Arms
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
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Interesting. Knight went from 4th to 12th. Just a poor year or partially other prospects really stepping up?
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08-21-2014, 10:07 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Interesting. Knight went from 4th to 12th. Just a poor year or partially other prospects really stepping up?
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Probably both, but I think last year he proved himself to a completely average prospect. He's 23, and there doesn't seem to be a ton of high-end upside showing, so if he makes it, it will probably be as a fairly non-consequential player. Prospects tend to have a lot of "magic mystery box" appeal to them, and sometimes when the reality is revealed, the hype tends to dissipate.
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08-21-2014, 10:38 AM
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#26
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Caged Great
I can see why the three injured guys fell (Poirier Jankowski Gillies) in his list.
Using his definitions, my list is
1. Bennett (slightly ahead of)
2. Gaudreau
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3. Gillies
4. Klimchuk (4-6 are close)
5. Poirier
6. Granlund
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7. Jankowski (7-9 are close)
8. Sieloff
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10. Arnold (10-13 are close)
11. Knight
12. Reinhart
13. Kulak
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Poirier didn't fall. Last year Pronman had him 10th (behind Hanowski). He has never been a fan. Moving him up to 6th is actually a big concession for him.
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08-21-2014, 10:41 AM
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist
Interesting. Knight went from 4th to 12th. Just a poor year or partially other prospects really stepping up?
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I suspect the same thing will happen to Arnold and Agostino this year after a year in the AHL.
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08-21-2014, 11:10 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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Sam Bennett will be good but he is not in the same category as Johnny. I see JG on that elite tier as McJesus and Eichel.
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08-21-2014, 11:23 AM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Calgary
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FlamesNation's Top 10: Monahan [1], Gaudreau [2], Baertschi [3], Granlund [4], Poirier [5], Gillies [6], Arnold [7], Klimchuk [8], Ortio [9], Wotherspoon [10] (We did this before the draft.)
THW's Top 10 from March: Gaudreau [1], Poirier [2], Baertschi [3], Granlund [4], Arnold [5], Klimchuk [6], Knight [7], Agostino [8], Gillies [9], Ortio [10] (Excluded anyone 25 and older; and all NHL regulars)
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08-21-2014, 11:24 AM
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He sees the value in Granlund and has Reinhart a little lower. Smart guy.
Poirier a spot or two higher and he's pretty much right on.
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08-21-2014, 12:01 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Barthelona
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Sam Bennett will be good but he is not in the same category as Johnny. I see JG on that elite tier as McJesus and Eichel.
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The higher rank might be due to Bennett's size advantage, and how his play and size will translate into the NHL.
Not saying I agree with him being above Johnny though.
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08-21-2014, 12:04 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Sam Bennett will be good but he is not in the same category as Johnny. I see JG on that elite tier as McJesus and Eichel.
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Rose colored glasses much?
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08-21-2014, 12:06 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Sam Bennett will be good but he is not in the same category as Johnny. I see JG on that elite tier as McJesus and Eichel.
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Lol. Wow.
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08-21-2014, 12:12 PM
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Yeah, I don't agree with Johnny at number 2 but I can understand the uncertainty factor that plays in. It undoubtedly will still play a factor in him becoming successful or not. So I don't have a problem with it.
However, MacKinnon, Gaudreau, McDavid, Eichel, Tavares IMO are the upcoming elite class of talent of the past 5 years, and yes, Johnny's right in the thick of them. Crazy as it sounds, if Johnny reaches his ceiling, that's the company he'll be in. A LOT of ifs that play into it, though.
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08-21-2014, 12:14 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dissentowner
Sam Bennett will be good but he is not in the same category as Johnny. I see JG on that elite tier as McJesus and Eichel.
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Maybe elite skills but his size is a major negative as he's tiny and there's no way around it as guys like Fleury and St. Louis are exceptions not the norm. Sven's a bigger player and he gets outmuscled fairly easily and you wonder how his body will hold up as he's starting to accumulate an injury history. Time will tell with Gaudreau so it's no surprise that Bennett is a much safer bet to have an impactful NHL career and when I say that I mean a long and productive career as a franchise cornerstone as small guys like Roy, Gerbe, Cammalleri, Gionta have all been quality players but none of them have ever approached franchise player status and it's not due to lack of skills but more to lack of size. Not saying I don't believe in Johnny but he's got a lot more to prove than Monahan and Bennett and I think you are being overly generous comparing him to McDavid or Eichel.
Last edited by Erick Estrada; 08-21-2014 at 12:16 PM.
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08-21-2014, 12:18 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Quote:
Originally Posted by djsFlames
Yeah, I don't agree with Johnny at number 2 but I can understand the uncertainty factor that plays in. It undoubtedly will still play a factor in him becoming successful or not. So I don't have a problem with it.
However, MacKinnon, Gaudreau, McDavid, Eichel, Tavares IMO are the upcoming elite class of talent of the past 5 years, and yes, Johnny's right in the thick of them. Crazy as it sounds, if Johnny reaches his ceiling, that's the company he'll be in. A LOT of ifs that play into it, though.
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Guys would it be too much trouble to please keep this stuff in white text so when fans of other teams visit they don't paint us all with the same brush of way, way, way, way overrating our prospects?
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08-21-2014, 12:19 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: West of Calgary
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I always forget how friggin young Jankowski is....Still not 20.
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08-21-2014, 12:21 PM
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by BigFlameDog
I always forget how friggin young Jankowski is....Still not 20.
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He's a bust though.
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08-21-2014, 12:28 PM
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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The Johnny hype has officially reached oiler-esque levels.
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08-21-2014, 12:33 PM
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#40
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix
The Johnny hype has officially reached oiler-esque levels.
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It is some what warranted with him being tied for first in scoring. 
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