Flames Personal Win Percentages

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

There are no published statistics like this, because it is the dumbest statistical analysis I have ever actually heard proposed in a non-joking manner.

I think he should add two more columns. One for RGI (ricardo's grit index), and the other to combine the two, similar to OPS in MLB.

[HartAttack]

For those people who spend hours meddling in advanced stats, I can see how the OP's stats may have you screaming.

For the rest of us, this analysis shows me some things I would intuitively expect. For example, guys like Giordano and Glencross (when healthy) help the team win MORE OFTEN than guys like Stajan and Jones.

OP is not as offensive as some of you guys make it out to be, so maybe just chill a bit and thank the guy for spending a few hours putting this together.

[Regorium]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Eyeball test is the most accurate way of deciding how important a player is or is not...always has been and always will be.

Again...ugh.

I wonder at what point in baseball this exact phrase was uttered.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by HartAttack

For those people who spend hours meddling in advanced stats, I can see how the OP's stats may have you screaming.

For the rest of us, this analysis shows me some things I would intuitively expect. For example, guys like Giordano and Glencross (when healthy) help the team win MORE OFTEN than guys like Stajan and Jones.

OP is not as offensive as some of you guys make it out to be, so maybe just chill a bit and thank the guy for spending a few hours putting this together.

You can't just cherry pick the ones that seem to make sense to you.

According to this stat, the only 1 player played more games and still had a higher winning percentage than Westgarth.

Baertschi and Cammalleri were equivalent contributors.

Bollig and Engelland are awesome additions, while Granlund and Reinhart appear to be busts so far.

There is no discernible correlation at all between winning percentage and which games each individual played. Of course there will be some that 'make sense' (which would happen randomly), and there are some that don't (which should also happen randomly).

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Regorium

I wonder at what point in baseball this exact phrase was uttered.

Baseball has always been a game of stats, and yet the eyeball test still is the most important and best way to judge a player. Knowing that they can't hit a lefty is valuable information too though, when used appropriately.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by HartAttack

For those people who spend hours meddling in advanced stats, I can see how the OP's stats may have you screaming.

For the rest of us, this analysis shows me some things I would intuitively expect. For example, guys like Giordano and Glencross (when healthy) help the team win MORE OFTEN than guys like Stajan and Jones.

OP is not as offensive as some of you guys make it out to be, so maybe just chill a bit and thank the guy for spending a few hours putting this together.

The problem is that the OP is pretty fiercely agenda driven. For the better part of a few years now he's concocted a narrative about the success of size and strength in the NHL over and against skill and "finesse" (for lack of a better word). This is no different: it is a poorly cobbled analysis that flows from pre-formed conclusions about certain players beforehand:

Originally Posted by ricardodw

...Hankowski and Agustino Van Brabant and Knight played a few games games... They all went out , as should be expected from some young guys working hard and trying to make an impression, and made some hits.

Did this extra aggression (truculence) influence the outcome of the games they were in?

On the Flip side Granlund and Reinhart and Billins came up and played their skilled positional game (virtually no hits) and the Flames did poorly (even by the Flames standards)...

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

There are no published statistics like this, because it is the dumbest statistical analysis I have ever actually heard proposed in a non-joking manner.

It's not even the dumbest statistical analysis ricardodw has ever proposed in a non-joking manner.

We need to be spending more time on important aspects of the game, like Even Strength Toe Drags Per Game!

[Vulcan]

I find it slightly interesting and at least he's making an effort to come up with some stats which is a lot better than a lot of you who just sit back and throw stones.

I remember one time Iginla was injured and the team rallied around and for a short time did better than when Iginla was playing.
There are too many variables that haven't been taken into account though for it to be meaningful.

[V]

I for one would love to see recardodw continue on this pilgrimage towards advanced statistics. His discoveries are quite enjoyable.

Although I do wish he would take a stats class or two.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I find it slightly interesting and at least he's making an effort to come up with some stats which is a lot better than a lot of you who just sit back and throw stones.

Ok. Flames JNTG for 2013-14:

Monahan 506
Hudler 408
Cammalleri 338
Stajan 252
Glencross 240
Byron 224
Stempniak 176
Backlund 198
Galiardi 156
Granlund 120
Baertschi 94
Butler 88
Bouma 85
Colborne 80
Giordano 70
McGrattan 64
Westgarth 60
Gaudreau 53
Agostino 51
Jones 38
Brodie 28
Russell 28
Wideman 24
Jackman 15
Knight 10
Smid 3
Wotherspoon 0
Street 0
Van Brabant 0
Arnold 0
Smith 0
O'Brien 0
Reinhart 0
MacDermid 0
Hanowski 0
Horak 0
Cundari 0
Billins 0
Breen 0

Yes, there is a real formula behind this. Yes, anyone can make something up. No, that does not automatically make it valuable or useful.

[ricardodw]

NVM not worth it

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Yes, there is a real formula behind this. Yes, anyone can make something up. No, that does not automatically make it valuable or useful.

Ah yes, the good old Jersey Number Times Goals stat.

I'm sure Gretzky led the league in this stat for most of his career. Crosby and Lemieux would also have good career JNTG stats, so it's clearly extremely valuable, although I think it generally underrates defencemen.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by getbak

although I think it generally underrates defencemen.

Most stats do.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Ok. Flames JNTG for 2013-14:

Monahan 506
Hudler 408
Cammalleri 338
Stajan 252
Glencross 240
Byron 224
Stempniak 176
Backlund 198
Galiardi 156
Granlund 120
Baertschi 94
Butler 88
Bouma 85
Colborne 80
Giordano 70
McGrattan 64
Westgarth 60
Gaudreau 53
Agostino 51
Jones 38
Brodie 28
Russell 28
Wideman 24
Jackman 15
Knight 10
Smid 3
Wotherspoon 0
Street 0
Van Brabant 0
Arnold 0
Smith 0
O'Brien 0
Reinhart 0
MacDermid 0
Hanowski 0
Horak 0
Cundari 0
Billins 0
Breen 0

Yes, there is a real formula behind this. Yes, anyone can make something up. No, that does not automatically make it valuable or useful.

JNTG is forward bias and always will be.