Summer 2014 Prospect Ranking Poll Rd3

[King Theo]

I have to go with Poirier here. I like what he showed last year in the camp and also from his season in the Q.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Monahan23

I don't care how bad of a year you have nobody drops 4 spots in a year.

He does when you draft arguably the best prospect in his draft year, as well as a guy who tore up the NCAA like nobody since Paul Kariya. It's not that Sven dropped much (although I do think he did a bit), it's that the pool around him go better.

Btw, last year he was ranked 2nd. This year he seems to be trending for 3rd. Where are you getting 4 from?

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Baertschi for me. Too much talent to be denied. Really rough year for him last year, but he stuck with it and played well at the end of the year. I think he makes the team out of camp.*




*I retain the right to completely backpedal and call him a bust if he has a poor camp, as per CP user guidelines.

[Imported_Aussie]

Went with Poirier, see his upside as the kind of guy who will round off a top line - fast, skilled, can finish - would look great long term riding shotgun with Monahan or Bennett.
Granlund is close, but I think Poirier has the higher upside.

[RyZ]

Baertschi has by far the highest upside of the guys left and already produces at a top 6 forward pace in the NHL (60th rank LW & RW scored at a 0.42 points per game pace last season, Baertschi has a career 0.47 mark with rookies and checkers and little PP time).

This one shouldn't be close, but will be because fans are frustrated with him because Hartley won't play him regularly.

[Coach]

Tough one. For me; Baertschi, Poirier, Ortio, Gillies, And Granlund are all about the same level as far as what I think their future impact will be. I went with Ortio, as I think one of him or Gillies will turn out to be a very good to top starter and Ortio has more experience at this point.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by RyZ

This one shouldn't be close, but will be because fans are frustrated with him because Hartley won't play him regularly.

Or because other people have different opinions about who will end up as better players. It doesn't mean we think Baertschi is/will be bad.

[Cflames_12.5]

I went with Poirier. Sven is great but can we still call him a prospect. Was he at the prospect camp? He has more then a handful of NHL games now while some on the list don't have any. I don't think Sven should be on the list.

[Fire in the disco]

Picked Baertschi. He is easily the most NHL ready and highest ceiling prospect at 3. I'm surprised there is no love for Klimchuk

[Monahan23]

again

Poirier last year: 63 GP, 43 G, 44 A, 87 PTS (which is very good)

Bärtschi at his age: 47 GP, 33 G, 61 A, 94 PTS

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

Went with Poirier, see his upside as the kind of guy who will round off a top line - fast, skilled, can finish - would look great long term riding shotgun with Monahan or Bennett.
Granlund is close, but I think Poirier has the higher upside.

Can you imagine how annoying it would be to play against a line with Bennett and Poirier on it? Gritty, fast and skilled.

[Poe969]

ya, I went with Sven too. This is where it gets interesting though, I thin Porier could be right there though. They are neck and neck and not because they're both average!

This is awesome. Love the Flames prospect depth compared to the last few years.

[Read Only]

Originally Posted by Cflames_12

I went with Poirier. Sven is great but can we still call him a prospect. Was he at the prospect camp? He has more then a handful of NHL games now while some on the list don't have any. I don't think Sven should be on the list.

I would say he is.

It may be an abitrary number but I would say roughly 22 and under (without obviously establishing themselves at the NHL ie Monahan) is for the most part still a prospect.

I also think that looking at teams under 22 talent is often a better inidcator of future success than just looking at prospects.

There are a lot of other guys on the list (Billins especially) that I would take out over Baertschi if we are debating if they are a prospect or not.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Monahan23

again

Poirier last year: 63 GP, 43 G, 44 A, 87 PTS (which is very good)

Bärtschi at his age: 47 GP, 33 G, 61 A, 94 PTS

And? Point production in the CHL isn't everything.

[Monahan23]

Originally Posted by RyZ

Baertschi has by far the highest upside of the guys left and already produces at a top 6 forward pace in the NHL (60th rank LW & RW scored at a 0.42 points per game pace last season, Baertschi has a career 0.47 mark with rookies and checkers and little PP time).

This one shouldn't be close, but will be because fans are frustrated with him because Hartley won't play him regularly.

winner

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by codynw

And? Point production in the CHL isn't everything.

It's not nothing either. Any way you slice it, 2 PPG in the WHL as an 18 year old is exceptional. It doesn't mean nothing.

He has also scored at almost 0.5 PPG on the NHL which is on par with most great prospects. What is everything then?

[Fire]

I think Sven at #3 is too high. I went with Granlund, who is younger than Sven, and had a better year last season. Easy choice to put him ahead of Sven. Poirier was in consideration as well.

You could argue that Sven was mishandled last season and you might be right but that should hurt his ranking and not help him.

What did Sven show us last season:
1. Was unable to play the off-wing in the AHL. So he is basically limited to only play the LW.
2. Injury prone.
3. Lacks a high level of hockey IQ and skating at the NHL level.

Saying all that I haven't given up on him but he a lot of negatives against him last season. On the other hand Granlund improved as a prospect.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

It's not nothing either. Any way you slice it, 2 PPG in the WHL as an 18 year old is exceptional. It doesn't mean nothing.

He has also scored at almost 0.5 PPG on the NHL which is on par with most great prospects. What is everything then?

Remember this guy? 2PPG as an 18 year old, and 51 points in his rookie NHL season. How did that work out for him?

(not saying Sven will be Daigle, but just trying to say his CHL point totals from 2 years ago are irrelevant)

[ForeverFlameFan]

Voted Sven, the next 3 (4-6) are Poirier, Klimchuk and Granlund.

[Street Pharmacist]

And no one is saying he's the best prospect either, but to dismiss his accomplishments from only 3 seasons ago is just as silly