No, if you have shi**y conditioning, you can't bust your ass every night.
On account of the shi**y conditioning.
Did that really slip by you?
Sorry you don't understand the difference between giving your all, and increasing what you have to give.
The Flames were praised last year for "giving it their all" each and every night. Hartley and the leadership team creates that.
Hesketh's role is to increase the players potential out put by making them fitter and stronger. Two different things.
Anyone regardless of fitness level can "bust their ass" and give it their all, they simply have more to give when they are fitter.
I notice you left out the second part of my post highlighting that we had the same fitness regime during the country club years, that in its self should have proven the difference explained above.
I wonder how this affects Prospect Camp? Rich is usually the one spearheading the group events like the trail climb as well as the off ice workouts. Everytime I turned around at the camp last year I was running into him.
With us being 3 days away, I'm guessing they either have an immediate candidate in mind or will be going with a completely different program.
He's been with the Flames just shy of 19 years (joined the team in August 1995).
In that time:
The Flames have made the playoffs 6 times in 18 seasons (including his first year, where they were swept in the first round).
They've won a total of 3 playoff series (all in the same season).
They've had home ice in a playoff round once.
They've finished in the bottom 10 of the league 8 times.
They've finished in the top 10 in the league twice.
Now, I'm not in any way blaming Rich for that, but this is a performance-based business, and the Flames haven't performed. No one's job in Hockey Ops is likely safe this summer.
This isn't the beginning of the house cleaning this summer (Ward, Ftorek, Malarchuk are already gone), and I bet it won't be the end either.
I wonder if Tod Button will still be Director of Scouting by the end of summer? His tenure is only 2 years shorter than Hesketh. If Button does survive, I bet his staff looks a lot different when the season begins. Based on the quality of trades in recent years, the pro scouts might all get sent packing.
Working with Team Canada, both the men and women, as well as the junior team, I'm sure Pascall has worked with every hockey strength and conditioning coach in the country at one point or another, so it will be interesting to see who they hire.
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I heard Nik Lewis has left the Stampeders to take over the strength and conditioning role for the Flames. The Flames need to get bigger and Nik is an expert in the field.
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Sorry you don't understand the difference between giving your all, and increasing what you have to give.
The Flames were praised last year for "giving it their all" each and every night. Hartley and the leadership team creates that.
Hesketh's role is to increase the players potential out put by making them fitter and stronger. Two different things.
Anyone regardless of fitness level can "bust their ass" and give it their all, they simply have more to give when they are fitter.
The Flames weren't patted on the head and given participation ribbons for "giving it their all" like they were in the Special Olympics. Hartley said at the beginning on the year that he was stressing fitness so that the team could maintain its intensity and speed throughout all three periods, instead of trailing off. That's what the team was praised for, and you don't maintain intensity and speed at an elite level with poor conditioning by just "giving it your all".
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I notice you left out the second part of my post highlighting that we had the same fitness regime during the country club years, that in its self should have proven the difference explained above.
No, it doesn't prove anything. The "country club years" were about attitude, and showed nothing positive or negative about their fitness. You can be extremely fit but still coast through games, but you can't compete for 60 minutes at an elite level with shi**y conditioning.
The Flames weren't patted on the head and given participation ribbons for "giving it their all" like they were in the Special Olympics. Hartley said at the beginning on the year that he was stressing fitness so that the team could maintain its intensity and speed throughout all three periods, instead of trailing off. That's what the team was praised for, and you don't maintain intensity and speed at an elite level with poor conditioning by just "giving it your all".
No, it doesn't prove anything. The "country club years" were about attitude, and showed nothing positive or negative about their fitness. You can be extremely fit but still coast through games, but you can't compete for 60 minutes at an elite level with shi**y conditioning.
Yes, just as you can be extremely out of shape and bust your ass each and every night. You literally proved my point in your last sentence.
I never once said you maintained the same intensity from start to finish if you were out of shape. But you can still try hard each and every shift, you effectiveness will just drop.
What you said in your first paragraph was not what you said in your first post. And while I agree, that this year the Flames were occasionally praised for they "fitness", they were mostly praised all year long for their "work ethic" each and every night, and as you pointed out in your post, has nothing to do with being fit.
For the record, I don't think fitness seemed to be an issue for this club, but it's not what they were getting kudos for, although I remember Hartley saying he was happy with most of the players fitness. But as another pointed out, it is a results business and to be fair the results haven't been great during the tenure of this regime (not that I actually think they are related). Likely just time to move on or switch things up was the thought process of the new management, and I'm sure someone they want for the role has become available so the time was now.
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The Flames weren't patted on the head and given participation ribbons for "giving it their all" like they were in the Special Olympics. Hartley said at the beginning on the year that he was stressing fitness so that the team could maintain its intensity and speed throughout all three periods, instead of trailing off. That's what the team was praised for, and you don't maintain intensity and speed at an elite level with poor conditioning by just "giving it your all".
That's all true, but I'm guessing Burke and Treliving had an issue with the strength moreso than the fitness of the team.
This makes me think Hartley is done for sure after this year. Brad seems to want to clean house.
Not necessarily. After all, the housecleaning started from Feaster and seems to have essentially moved down through the organization.
GM, assistant GM, AHL head coach, goalie coach, conditioning coach... I think Hartley was evaluated and survived.
(Looking at it this way, it looks just as much Burke's doing as Treliving's, if not more.)
Of course no coach is safe, but since they are obviously cleaning house, I don't think they'd keep Hartley around for another year if they had already decided to get rid of him. The decision will be made around contract renewal time, I think.
Hesketh had a degree in physical education and right now other teams are out bringing in guys with higher levels of education such as Masters in Kineseology. The science of the body has changed over the last 20 years and just looking good and being a gym rat probably wasn't going to cut it.
Given the flames terrible ability to develop players over the last 20 years and given some of the high profile players and prospects with fitness issues Iginla (likely overtraining), Ferland and Howse, the flames probably decided to make a change.
Hard to actually evaluate Hesketh's body of work from a fan perspective, but I suspect these were the issues.
For reference, here is the Coyotes Strength and Conditioning Coordinator:
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Prior to that, Bahn served as adjunct faculty at the University of Puget Sound’s Exercise Science Department for four years, teaching Biomechanics and serving as the strength & conditioning coach for the men’s basketball team. He also served four years as the Director of Exercise Programs at a Physical Therapy Clinic in Puyallup, Washington.
Bahn is a certified strength and conditioning specialist (NSCA) and sports performance coach (USAW). He received his Master of Science degree in Biomechanics from Western Washington University in 2001.
During his time at WWU, he also served as director of the University’s club hockey team. He earned his Bachelor of Science degree in Exercise Science in 1993 from the University of Puget Sound.
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Roberts is the first name that came to mind. Is he associated with any team right now?
He has a business relationship with a personal training company based out of north York, Ontario.
His training regime is popular, but on an individual basis, not team oriented. Pretty sure this is all his focus right now. http://www.fitnessinstitute.com/gary-roberts-hpc/
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As they say its all business, and its a simple case of a management bringing in their own guys. I am not sure where would the Flames rate regarding strength around the league, but for me man games lost could be a very rough indicator of conditioning.
For those of you that are interested:
2013-14 12th most in man games lost out of all the teams
2012-13 13th
2011-12 3rd
2010-11 5th
So the Flames keep being in the top half of the league when it comes to injuries, it probably is mostly bad luck, but conditioning does contribute a little.
Personally, I wish Hesketh all the best, and the Flames to find yet another way to improve.
19 years says it all how much of a quality individual Hesketh is.
Treliving definitely is proving he demands his own people at all levels regardless of success or tenure.
