Once again Israel shows it doesn't screw around

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

Though I most definitely do not agree with Tinordi's statement, it is not crazy, nor is it even close to anti-Semitic. (I have never read Barry Fisher, so no comment there).

Nah, I think we are beyond that. When Israel is singled out and there is silence about everything else going on, yah that is hate. I don't know what the answer in the region is, but I think condemnation of the kidnapping and murder of these teens is what is appropriate.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by _Q_

Killing Arab civilians and demolishing random homes to deal with the murder of 3 Israelis (without any investigation by the way) is what makes Israel a pariah state, not antisemitism.

As far as I'm concerned, this is a police matter in most countries, not an excuse to carpet bomb neighborhoods.

So based on real news, not your racist news source, Israel is going to go after Hamas, a terrorist group. So Israel is a pariah state, according to you, for targeting an internationally known terrorist group. Hamas on the other hand murdered three innocent teens. Israel targets Hamas, Hamas targets kids. And to you Israel is the bad guy.

A police matter? What a joke.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Israel is an apartheid theocratic dictatorship I feel bad for the palestinians who have to live under that rule as less than humans.

A theocratic state that held one of the world's largest gay pride parades a few weeks ago? Doesn't add up. You might not like the way Israel is dealing with their conflict with the Palestinians, but this is over the top. The Palestinians, although victims, hardly live as less than human. They actually have one of the highest standards of living within the Arab world.

Back on topic. Israel is not launching bombs. They know the names of the individuals responsible for the kidnapping/murder. They are being anything but indiscriminate here.

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

So based on real news, not your racist news source, Israel is going to go after Hamas, a terrorist group. So Israel is a pariah state, according to you, for targeting an internationally known terrorist group. Hamas on the other hand murdered three innocent teens. Israel targets Hamas, Hamas targets kids. And to you Israel is the bad guy.

A police matter? What a joke.

How do you know Hamas did this? Come on, there was no investigation, just throwing blame at an easy target. It could have been Israeli settlers that had a score to settle against these 3 for all we know. But Israel, goes for the easy answer, blames Hamas and starts demolishing Palestinian homes, again.... without investigation.

Don't believe me? Maybe my "racist" news source, Reuters can clarify:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0F64WY20140701

Originally Posted by blankall

A theocratic state that held one of the world's largest gay pride parades a few weeks ago? Doesn't add up. You might not like the way Israel is dealing with their conflict with the Palestinians, but this is over the top. The Palestinians, although victims, hardly live as less than human. They actually have one of the highest standards of living within the Arab world.

Back on topic. Israel is not launching bombs. They know the names of the individuals responsible for the kidnapping/murder. They are being anything but indiscriminate here.

I can get behind some of this, but not the bolded part. Palestinian territories have the second lowest Human Development Index in the Arab world. By all accounts, Palestinians are forced to live in below standard conditions because of the Israeli occupation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Israel is an apartheid theocratic dictatorship I feel bad for the palestinians who have to live under that rule as less than humans.

Simple hate speech, do you have anything original?

[blankall]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I can get behind some of this, but not the bolded part. Palestinian territories have the second lowest Human Development Index in the Arab world. By all accounts, Palestinians are forced to live in below standard conditions because of the Israeli occupation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...elopment_Index

Firstly you're reading your own list wrong.

Palestine according to their list is a "medium" country and falls above, Egypt, Syria, Morocco, Iraq, Yemen, and the Sudan.

The list is also flawed. It only includes citizens. So the mass of slave labour who live in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, etc... are not included. Maybe my statement of being one of the highest was off the mark. However, it's certainly comparable to all the Arab countries in the region, particularly Jordan, which is the probably the best comparable, as it actually used to be part of the British Mandate of Palestine.

Either way, I'm not saying the Palestinians haven't been through a lot, but the hyperbole surrounding the discussion of their treatment by Israel is out of control

[blankall]

Originally Posted by _Q_

How do you know Hamas did this? Come on, there was no investigation, just throwing blame at an easy target. It could have been Israeli settlers that had a score to settle against these 3 for all we know. But Israel, goes for the easy answer, blames Hamas and starts demolishing Palestinian homes, again.... without investigation.

Don't believe me? Maybe my "racist" news source, Reuters can clarify:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0F64WY20140701

They've identified the two men responsible. They are both Hamas operatives. Hamas may not have been responsible for their actions but certainly aren't making any efforts to give them up.

Where are you getting the idea that no investigation took place?

[nik-]

Threads about Israel are always ruined by Nage Waza's frothing at the mouth posts. Israel has horrible neighbours, but Israel isn't some angelic bastion of right. ####ing deal with it dude.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by nik-

Threads about Israel are always ruined by Nage Waza's frothing at the mouth posts. Israel has horrible neighbours, but Israel isn't some angelic bastion of right. ####ing deal with it dude.

You mean I ruin it for those that want to use this site to spread hate? If you wish to debate the merits of Israeli policy, I would love to. Mostly I see posts filled with venom, I won't stand back and sit quietly. And now you try to smear me with no facts or quotes at all.

If you could post something hateful from me, please do, but you can't.

Israel is a bastion of right, in fact people from many countries go there to escape hateful regimes. Israel is a country that defends minorities and teaches tolerance, much more (massively more) than their neighbours.

I doubt you will post anything intelligent as a response.

[The Ditch]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Simple hate speech, do you have anything original?

lol hate speech, you're literally crazy, get a clue.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

You mean I ruin it for those that want to use this site to spread hate? If you wish to debate the merits of Israeli policy, I would love to. Mostly I see posts filled with venom, I won't stand back and sit quietly. And now you try to smear me with no facts or quotes at all.

If you could post something hateful from me, please do, but you can't.

Israel is a bastion of right, in fact people from many countries go there to escape hateful regimes. Israel is a country that defends minorities and teaches tolerance, much more (massively more) than their neighbours.

I doubt you will post anything intelligent as a response.

Responses are wasted on you, you're so dug in that you can't even see the exit. Not everyone that disagrees with some of the things Isreal does is "spreading hate speech" That's just your weak ass argument.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by nik-

Responses are wasted on you, you're so dug in that you can't even see the exit. Not everyone that disagrees with some of the things Isreal does is "spreading hate speech" That's just your weak ass argument.

Nope, I am very clear with what types of posts are hate.

Like I said, you wouldn't back up your attack.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Nope, I am very clear with what types of posts are hate.

Like I said, you wouldn't back up your attack.

"attack"

I pointed out your posting methods in these threads to a T. If you think that's an attack, maybe you should analyze the way you communicate.

You play the "hate speech/race card" so often you never even take it off the table.

[BigNumbers]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Israel is a bastion of right, in fact people from many countries go there to escape hateful regimes. Israel is a country that defends minorities and teaches tolerance, much more (massively more) than their neighbours.

You can't believe this...Can you? Out of curiosity, have you ever been to Israel? Are you Jewish? I am trying to figure out why you have the worlds biggest chip on your shoulders here...

That whole area of the world is a massively complex, socio-theocratic powder keg and at this point everyone in the areas, including Israel, is about as pure and virgin as a 50 year old whore.

The **** that others in the area do to Israel is unacceptable, but the way Israel responds (and often provokes) is equally unacceptable.

[Bleeding Red]

Originally Posted by The Ditch

Israel is an apartheid theocratic dictatorship I feel bad for the palestinians who have to live under that rule as less than humans.

And here is the beginning of the crazy.

Israel is an odd "dictatorship" - holding elections at least every 5 years; Opposition parties openly campaigning and wining seats in parliament; That allows opposition parliament members to call for the disolution of the government (reminds me of the BQ); A press that criticizes the Prime Minister, the government and pretty much all else. An Independent Judicery that often rules against the government.

Sorry - Dictatorship is way off the mark and a slur.

Israel is an odd Theocracy - Yes, religious based parties do have leaders as heads of ministries in the government, but they are answerable to the government and the Supreme Court. Yes, there are Chief Rabbis, but there are also Head Imams (the Wakaf) and Christian bishops - all answerable to the law. Remind me - Khomenni answers to whom?

Sorry - Theocracy is way off the mark and an attempt to liken Israel to Iran & ISIS.

Israel is an Apartheid State - Again, Arab representatives in parliament (because they were elected by {gasp} Arabs who voted (remind me of the voter turnout in Saudi Arabia again?); An Arab Justice on the supreme court; minority newspapers, access to the same education and work opportunities.
(is it perfect? no. Is there racism? yes. Every country has to deal with that - ask an African or Hispanic American, or First Nations Canadian if there is racism in the US or Canada. Apartheid North America)

Apartheid is way off the mark. It purposely dismisses terrorist violence, ignores clear facts, diminishes the accomplishments of members of Israel's minority, and devalues the South African struggle.

But mostly it is a nasty slur.

Feel bad for the Palestinians if you like, but know this - those living in areas where there would be land swaps in a peace deal are fighting to stay in Israel. They don't want to live under PA rule. Christian Palestinians communities in the PA are shrinking, in Israel they are growing. GLBT Palestinians all want to be in Israel - no death penalty for being gay there.

Israel is not perfect, but don't try to slur it as the worst place on Earth.

[pseudoreality]

Israel is definitely held to a higher standard then it's neighbours, but it should. They want to be recognized as modern democratic country, but can't be that and a Jewish state with immigration policies based on what religion you observe.

[cal_guy]

Seven Palestinians have been killed since the murders of the three teenagers, if Israel is a star of the region it's one that is falling.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by BigNumbers

You can't believe this...Can you? Out of curiosity, have you ever been to Israel? Are you Jewish? I am trying to figure out why you have the worlds biggest chip on your shoulders here...

So, if someone does not agree with your view, they must be Jewish? That is how you think of this?

Originally Posted by BigNumbers

That whole area of the world is a massively complex, socio-theocratic powder keg and at this point everyone in the areas, including Israel, is about as pure and virgin as a 50 year old whore.

Not sure what to respond to here...what are you trying to say?

Originally Posted by BigNumbers

The **** that others in the area do to Israel is unacceptable, but the way Israel responds (and often provokes) is equally unacceptable.

Israel is dealing with terrorist groups that seem to wish death and hate on everyone. If there is an alternative for Israel, throw some out there if you want to debate.

[jammies]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

Nope, I am very clear with what types of posts are hate.

According to you, any post that in any way criticizes Israel's policies is hate. Do you not see how pathological that is? Does it seem probable that Israel has had a 57 year run where every single action the state has taken has been right, correct, and unquestionably moral?

The USA is also a democratic nation that follows the rule of law and actively promotes human rights. And yet there have been instances where America and its government has committed acts of unjustified violence and aggression. Same with every single democratic and "free" nation on the planet. Identifying and protesting against such actions is a moral duty, not hate.

If you want to debate the morality of causing collateral damage when fighting an enemy of the state, do so without ad hominem attacks on the motivations of those who disagree with you. It doesn't make you look like a rational person whose opinion should be carefully evaluated. It makes you look like some kind of wild-eyed loony with whom one should disagree just to not appear as crazy.

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by nik-

"attack"

I pointed out your posting methods in these threads to a T. If you think that's an attack, maybe you should analyze the way you communicate.

You play the "hate speech/race card" so often you never even take it off the table.

Let us get this straight.

Did I start this thread? No

Did I call someone out for posting lies/slander/hateful rhetoric? Yes

That makes me bad?

Let me make something clear: If you hold Israel on a different standard than every other country, including countries with no human rights and that are currently in states of war against their people, than yes, I do think that is hate speech, and I am not alone in that. There is a lot of literature on the subject.

http://thefederalist.com/2014/04/30/...-anti-semitic/

Are people being falsely 'educated' on the subject? Absolutely.

In the end, if they repeat that garbage online I will follow up with a post. You seem to dislike that.

Perhaps post something I said that was wrong? You won't.

And also, throwing out the race card shield is a common ploy. Try again.