2014 Salary Arbitration - Joe Colborne Settles Before Arb

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Massonite

I bet this was all an elaborate plan to have this arbitration come up, he get released by the Avs due to them not agreeing with the arbitrator and the Flames get him without having to compensate the Avs.

The swerve is in!

That would be outrageously funny. All the heated arguments on CP over the offer sheets, giving this and that up, this and that pick up and then....

He turns UFA and we get him without giving up anything.

[sureLoss]

no teams signed O'Reilly to an offer sheet before the July 5th deadline per Dater. barring a trade he will play for the Avalanche next season.


Subban filed for player elected arbitration. per the CBA he is now ineligible to receive an offer sheet.

[sureLoss]

20 players file including Colborne

http://www.nhlpa.com/news/20-players...ry-arbitration

[EldrickOnIce]

A bit surprised.
Colborne' qualifying offer would have been at 660k.
I would have expected an offer from the Flames of somewhere over a million. I expect he would have accepted that kind of offer.

Is there somewhere online to develop a list of possible comparables?

[Roof-Daddy]

No way the Flames are offering him anything over $1 million IMO.

[JJ1532]

When will we find out the figures disputed? At the actual hearing or sometime before? Bit disappointed we were willing to overpay for Engelland yet won't match what Colborne wants for what surely would have been a 3 year deal at most.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

No way the Flames are offering him anything over $1 million IMO.

I guess that's why it's going to arbitration.
I expected maybe 1.1 or 1.2

[Monahan23]

I think he'll get 1.5

[Da_Chief]

Different cases. Engelland, UFA who very likely will be off the books in 3 years. Colborne, part of the future and a RFA. Therefore they need to keep Colborne's numbers in line with his performance to date like Byron.

[flamesfever]

Whatever Colborne gets in arbitration may give some idea what Byron may have received.

Colborne 80 10 18 28 -17

Byron 47 7 14 21 +6

[Husky]

Colborne does not deserve 1+ million. He has proved much.

[ricardodw]

Wow This is just the worst for Colborne.

He was finally reaching his potential after being a disappointment for 4-5 years.

Rather than getting all worked up about moving to wing and getting top-6 ice time and playing stronger he is going to have to hear from the Flames management that he is a crappy player that is very lucky to be getting any NHL salary at all.

If the Flames were a bit deeper and David Jones played anywhere close to his salary and Glencross didn't get hurt then Colborne might has had a wasted season watching from the stands or worked back into the AHL.

Last Flame going to arbitration was Ian White. White won forcing the Flames to sign him to a 1 yr 3M deal (hours before the arbitration hearing) with UFA status in a year. White was awful and after 16 games with the Flames on that contract got sent to Carolina.

He signed a 2 year UFA deal with Detroit for less-- 2.9 /yr for 2 years and was benched by Detroit after 25 games in the 2nd year.

He played last year in the KHL (only 10 games) with the Traktor Chelyabinsk. Then he signed on to play with the Steinbach Huskies of the Carillon Senior Hockey League.

You wonder how it would have turned out if White would have signed a 3-4 year at 2M with the Flames rather than playing hardball...

[EldrickOnIce]

A bit dramatic
Arbitration is simply a part of the business of the NHL.
It's not pretty, but lots of negotiations aren't in any business

[Split98]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Wow This is just the worst for Colborne.

He was finally reaching his potential after being a disappointment for 4-5 years.

Rather than getting all worked up about moving to wing and getting top-6 ice time and playing stronger he is going to have to hear from the Flames management that he is a crappy player that is very lucky to be getting any NHL salary at all.

If the Flames were a bit deeper and David Jones played anywhere close to his salary and Glencross didn't get hurt then Colborne might has had a wasted season watching from the stands or worked back into the AHL.

Last Flame going to arbitration was Ian White. White won forcing the Flames to sign him to a 1 yr 3M deal (hours before the arbitration hearing) with UFA status in a year. White was awful and after 16 games with the Flames on that contract got sent to Carolina.

He signed a 2 year UFA deal with Detroit for less-- 2.9 /yr for 2 years and was benched by Detroit after 25 games in the 2nd year.

He played last year in the KHL (only 10 games) with the Traktor Chelyabinsk. Then he signed on to play with the Steinbach Huskies of the Carillon Senior Hockey League.

You wonder how it would have turned out if White would have signed a 3-4 year at 2M with the Flames rather than playing hardball...

I've always wondered about this. Do the players and teams make their case in front of each other? I can't see that being too great for player-team relationships after the player sits there and listens to his team exaggerate all of their weaknesses for a lower salary. Hopefully they meet with the arbiter separately...

[Bar-Down]

Ya something about a player filing for arbitration rubs me the wrong way.

Colborne played his FIRST full season in the NHL last year because the Flames finally gave him a chance. I doubt he cracks any other roster in the NHL last year.

He puts up 28 points in 80 games and files for arbitration? He should be grateful for anything the Flames offer him so he can still play in the NHL and continue to develop.

Hopefully the Flames win the case.

[EldrickOnIce]

It's not really winning or losing.
The process lasts about 2 1/2 hours with each side getting 15-minute main presentations and rebuttal time.
The team has a figure, the player has a figure - the arbitrator decides somewhere between the two.
More often than not, a deal gets done before arbitration

[GoJetsGo]

Too many people trying to make a big deal out of nothing. It's all part of the process. Way too much drama from some.

[EldrickOnIce]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Too many people trying to make a big deal out of nothing. It's all part of the process. Way too much drama from some.

Exactly. Most importantly, it ensures a deal gets done.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Hopefully they "settle out of court", or some similar mechanism.

I have heard talk from several parties (including Burke, IIRC) claiming that this is an ugly process that strains relationships.

I'm not sure why the players and team staff need to be directly involved at all, it would make more sense to me if it was a solicitor for each side, or maybe the player agent and an Assistant Manager or something.

And wait, isn't Colborne like already independently wealthy, and even major NHL contracts are like a rounding error to the amount of money he already has?

Seems weird to strain a relationship like that when you don't need the money. And his qualifying offer is a pretty accurate assessment of his current abilities, too, he's not exactly getting bent over.

[Samiz]

How is term decided through arbitration? Could it be possible that he's unhappy or they can't mutually agree with the number of years as opposed to the dollar amount?