[News] Poirier has Shoulder Surgery

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Out of curiosity, could the flames have demanded he have shoulder surgery right away when they were notified? And why wouldn't they have to ensure he's ready for training camp?

Yeah, did the injury happen during the season? If so could the Flames have forced him to have the surgery earlier instead of finishing his junior season?

[AcGold]

Hopefully he's got people force feeding him healthy food and he's rehabbing with professionals. If he had surgery he should take it real easy, worst case is he rushes himself and needs surgery again

[JJ1532]

Meh, lets not rush the lad. There is no desperate need for him at the moment. He clearly had a good season in the juniors, let him heal up and see what he can do for the Heat. A solid points return and he'll hopefully be ready to make an impact in 15-16. Man, that season is potentially shaping up to be a very promising one for us. The season we hopefully show clear signs on the ice of moving forward.

[AcGold]

I wouldn't be surprised with a significant leap forward this year. First time since Darryl quit coaching the Flames that they have had any semblance of a team atmosphere. We've got a strong foundation with Hartley, Gio, Mcgrattan and Ramo. Haven't had it like that in a long time, I'll be shocked if we finish 26th again. Hopefully Poirier can suit up for 9 at the end of the season.

[Flame12]

I think it will be more a struggle this upcoming year than last year and we will finish bottom 3 but then will trend upwards in 15-16 season. McDavid would look great in our future lineup along with Poirier. I see him as a more physical Alex Chiasson.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by AcGold

I wouldn't be surprised with a significant leap forward this year. First time since Darryl quit coaching the Flames that they have had any semblance of a team atmosphere. We've got a strong foundation with Hartley, Gio, Mcgrattan and Ramo. Haven't had it like that in a long time, I'll be shocked if we finish 26th again. Hopefully Poirier can suit up for 9 at the end of the season.

It's pretty much a guarantee that Poirier will be playing in the AHL so the 9 games won't matter anyways.

[Rick M.]

Do we know the type of shoulder injury Poirier had? Torn rotator cuff?

[ricardodw]

Hopefully Sieloff has been repaired and ready to surprise with a strong camp.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Yeah, did the injury happen during the season? If so could the Flames have forced him to have the surgery earlier instead of finishing his junior season?

You can't force a player to have surgery. You can advise Poirier, but it's ultimately his decision and given the season Poirier had, I assume that the pain was controlled pretty well and obviously the docs likely told him that he wouldn't risk further damage by playing.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by codynw

It's pretty much a guarantee that Poirier will be playing in the AHL so the 9 games won't matter anyways.

It still matters for him because although he's eligible to play in the AHL next season, his contract can still slide if he doesn't play 10 NHL games. That's why the Flames made sure he signed his contract on New Year's Eve so that his signing year would be 2013 and not 2014.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by getbak

It still matters for him because although he's eligible to play in the AHL next season, his contract can still slide if he doesn't play 10 NHL games. That's why the Flames made sure he signed his contract on New Year's Eve so that his signing year would be 2013 and not 2014.

I was going to argue that it was 10 pro games BUT then I looked it up on Cap Geek and

"If a player aged 18 or 19 signs an entry-level contract with a club (with his age calculated on Sept. 15 of the year he signed the contract) but does not play in at least 10 NHL games — regular season or playoffs — the contract will "slide" or be extended one year. The extension does not apply if the player turns 20 between Sept. 16 and Dec. 31 in the year he signed the contract." and

"Players who sign at age 18 can have their contract extended (or "slide") two seasons."

So did the Flames got Poirier to sign in 2013. He turned 19 on Dec 14.. so he signed the contract as an 18 year old.... his age on sept 15 the year he signed.

So Porier can play 2 AHL seasons or another year of junior and a year in the AHL before his EL contract starts.

That is great for the Flames but why would Poirier sign on Dec 31 rather than wait a day and burn off a year of his EL contract?

The Flames dangling the signing bonus? with the threat not to sign him until after training camp?

As it is now with him being injured for (2014-15) he would have to really force his way into the Flames line up in 2015-16 so he would start his EL contract in 2016-17 and be a low cost regular with the Flames for 3 complete years.

[Stay Golden]

Sucks to hear Poirier requires surgery and won't be able to play until November according to Burke. But it is good to hear he is not being rushed and will be able to rehab properly.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So Porier can play 2 AHL seasons or another year of junior and a year in the AHL before his EL contract starts.

2013-14 counts as the first slide season, so it can only slide one more season if he doesn't play 10 NHL games.

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hopefully Sieloff has been repaired and ready to surprise with a strong camp.

He reported on Feb 24th he stopped taking medicine:

Pat Sieloff @PatSieloff · Feb 24
First day in 16 weeks without taking any Medicine #ItsAGoodDay

And then I believe about a month later was on the ice and skating on his own.

Not sure how he'll be in training camp since he was shut down for a couple months from any sort of activities that would cause him to break a sweat and his staph infection sounded pretty serious. His training and development definitely took a big hit there.

If anything, at least he'll be wanting to play and eager to get on the ice.

[Roof-Daddy]

While we're on the subject on injured prospects, any news on how Ferland is healing up?

Hopefully he hasn't lost the drive that had him improve so much last off season.

[Drury18]

Not sure what's happening with Ferland. Haven't seen an update in a long time and I follow him on Twitter and he never mentions training or skating, mostly just meeting up with old teammates.

He seemed to be hanging around Calgary late in the season so hopefully that was for medical clearance and some conditioning. Guess we will see if he is in Prospect Camp come July.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Out of curiosity, could the flames have demanded he have shoulder surgery right away when they were notified? And why wouldn't they have to ensure he's ready for training camp?

Might not have needed surgery right away. Maybe at the time it was the type of injury that doctors thought would heal on it's own... he was able to play through it. After the season it probably wasn't healing like everyone thought it would have and after a re assessment it was deemed that he would require surgery. It happens.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

So did the Flames got Poirier to sign in 2013. He turned 19 on Dec 14.. so he signed the contract as an 18 year old.... his age on sept 15 the year he signed.

So Porier can play 2 AHL seasons or another year of junior and a year in the AHL before his EL contract starts.

That is great for the Flames but why would Poirier sign on Dec 31 rather than wait a day and burn off a year of his EL contract?

The Flames dangling the signing bonus? with the threat not to sign him until after training camp?

I think that in the grand scheme of things it doesn't really matter much. Good players are going to get paid.

So just for fun let's say Poirier's career progresses like so: spends a year in the AHL, then spends at least half of the season in the NHL, cracks the NHL full time next year, becomes permanent fixture on the top 6 and looking like he'll be at least a 20+ goal scorer next season. Contract up, how much will you pay him? Bridge contract? Sign him long term for big bucks?

What if the ELC didn't slide: spends a year in the AHL, spends at least half a season in the NHL, cracks the NHL full time. Contract is up. In this case, it's likely much easier to sign Poirier to an affordable contract for 2-3 years and the annual cap hit is likely to be lower than the above bridge contract scenario.

What if Poirier spends two years in the AHL? If Poirier is the real deal, by the end of his ELC, he would have 3 years of professional experience and more NHL proven. Maybe he keeps taking steps forward. Maybe in those 3 years he has only established himself as a 3rd line fixture who puts up 15-16 goals. You can sign him to 3-4 years for 3rd line money and maybe he blossoms in years 4-6 (typical breakout years). If he didn't slide he would only have two years of NHL experience and if he was a 3rd line fixture maybe he wouldn't be as willing to sign a 3-4 year deal thinking he would crack the top 6 the next season.

Point is there are so many variables that whether an ELC year gets burned or not doesn't matter much for most prospects.