Religious Calgary school threatens to expel "immoral" staff and students

[vanisleflamesfan]

So basically: Dear religious nutcakes, the same laws that give you the 'freedom' to hold your bat-sh*t crazy ideas, also stop you from punishing those who don't.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The headline is misleading because they haven't actually threatened anyone, nor has there been any instance for them where they may have "threatened" anyone.

You don't have a problem sending your children to a school where they are casting homosexuality as an evil sin?

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by Dion

With a threat there is usually consequences if you don't comply.

What are they?

Expulsion. They can't follow through with it so it's figuratively an empty threat, but a threat nonetheless.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

No more than any educational institution saying that you will be expelled if you plagiarize.

Schools absolutely threaten expulsion for plagiarism, so I'll take that as a yes.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Dion

With a threat there is usually consequences if you don't comply.

What are they?

Really? The documents clearly say "if you do 'A', you can be punished with 'B'".

That is a threat. Just because there are (thankfully) laws in place that prevent them from actually being able to go ahead with their 'punishments', does not mean that a threat has not been made.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

Really? The documents clearly say "if you do 'A', you can be punished with 'B'".

That is a threat. Just because there are (thankfully) laws in place that prevent them from actually being able to go ahead with their 'punishments', does not mean that a threat has not been made.

How can it be considered a threat when there are no consequnces? It's meaningless and misleading.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by pylon

You don't have a problem sending your children to a school where they are casting homosexuality as an evil sin?

Where does the new version say anything about homosexuality?

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Dion

How can it be considered a threat when there are no consequnces? It's meaningless and misleading.

You're kidding me right?

The words in the document constitute a threat.

It doesn't matter if the consequences are indeed possible. That is immaterial to the words in the document.

This is really not that difficult to understand.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by DownInFlames

Schools absolutely threaten expulsion for plagiarism, so I'll take that as a yes.

The point is that all schools have a code of morality that you must agree to in order to attend the school.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The point is that all schools have a code of morality that you must agree to in order to attend the school.

ALL schools? Umm... no.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

You're kidding me right?

The words in the document constitute a threat.

It doesn't matter if the consequences are indeed possible. That is immaterial to the words in the document.

This is really not that difficult to understand.

Not kidding!

I read the title first thinking there must be consequences as most people would. Upon reading the article I quickly realised there is no threat as the school can't enforce it. That's why it's misleading.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

The point is that all schools have a code of morality that you must agree to in order to attend the school.

Plagiarism is more of a breach of ethics, but that's not the point I'm trying to argue anyway. You said the headline was misleading because they haven't threatened anyone, and I'm saying they did.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Where does the new version say anything about homosexuality?

You know exactly why they edited out of the original draft.... don't be naive.

You are sending your children to a school run by bigots and homophobes. I guarantee you if a student came out there, they would try and convert him to a 'non-evil' way of life using some fairy tail Jesus story.

Places like this school, are why we will have hatred and non acceptance for decades to come.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

ALL schools? Umm... no.

So, there is schools out there that allow plagiarism?

Enforcing a rule against plagiarism shows that the school has a policy on morality.

[vanisleflamesfan]

Originally Posted by Dion

Not kidding!

I read the title first thinking there must be consequences as most people would. Upon reading the article I quickly realised there is no threat as the school can't enforce it. That's why it's misleading.

Well then I guess we will just have to agree... that you don't know what a 'threat' is.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

Well then I guess we will just have to agree... that you don't know what a 'threat' is.

How about we agree to disagree and leave out the condescending remarks.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by pylon

You know exactly why they edited out of the original draft.... don't be naive.

You are sending your children to a school run by bigots and homophobes. I guarantee you if a student came out there, they would try and convert him to a 'non-evil' way of life using some fairy tail Jesus story.

Places like this school, are why we will have hatred and non acceptance for decades to come.

This post shows a gross misunderstanding of Christians and Christianity, and is completely wrong in so many places that I don't know where to start.

That's not saying that there isn't a small minority for which your description is accurate. Fortunately, that minority is steadily getting smaller and smaller.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

This post shows a gross misunderstanding of Christians and Christianity, and is completely wrong in so many places that I don't know where to start.

That's not saying that there isn't a small minority for which your description is accurate. Fortunately, that minority is steadily getting smaller and smaller.

Then why was the statement about homosexuality made in the original draft? And why do you have no issue with it? I would be livid if I was a parent of a child in that school, and they would be immediately removed from it whether it was edited or not.

[DownInFlames]

I wouldn't send my child to a school that tried to make her comply with a set of moral guidelines outside of school hours, religious or not. That's just brainwashing, plain and simple.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by vanisleflamesfan

ALL schools? Umm... no.

Well, yeah, all schools, However, most school codes aren't based around cherry picking the bible. They relate to safety and interactive behaviour between fellow students and staff.

Anyway, this is the kind of thing that just begs for someone to load a porn video into a cafeteria TV and play it during lunch recess. Then, demand that the school follow through on its threats given every person that witnesses it would have violated the moral code.

And yes Dion, this is a threat. An empty threat is still a threat. And this one is made pretty much to try and make undesirable people feel uncomfortable so that they will leave on their own.