My Proposed New Point System for the NHL

[Wedge]

Originally Posted by codynw

Regulation / OT win - 2 points
Shootout win - 1 point
loss of any kind - 0 points

You almost had it right. 2 points for a regulation win. 1 point for an overtime or shootout win. 0 points for any kind of loss.

Wn the game properly ... show your superiority ... no stupid gimmicks.

[nfotiu]

The current system is the worst they could possibly come up with so just about anything would be an improvement. The powers that be seriously see no problem with a system that rewards teams for playing for a tie?? The last 5 minutes of a tied game is the most boring 5 minutes in sports, when it should really be one of the most exciting.

I could live with the 3 point system, but wins/losses seems like the best move. Nice simple standings for the casual fan, and guaranteed you'll leave the game either disappointed or excited. None of this, "oh well, at least we got a point" crap.

Wins/losses would likely reduce the impact of the shootout on the standings vs the current format. I'd expect we'd see a sharp decline in the amount of games going to ot, since there is no longer an incentive to play for a tie. Also, most teams won't want to leave their fate to a shootout, and will play more desperate in ends of games and OT. Less games going to shootouts, means shootout points have less impact. Now with everyone playing for a tie, shootout results often are the difference maker.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Regulation win - 3
OT win - 2
OT loss- 1
Ties- 1 (makes shootouts gone)
Regulation loss - 0

1. Every team would want to win for 3 points.
2. Teams would still compete for the extra point if things went to OT
3. Shootouts are gone. After 10 minutes of 4 on 4, there is a tie. Both teams get one point.

Pretty much bring back the old system they had, except make the regulation wins 3 points.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Wedge

You almost had it right. 2 points for a regulation win. 1 point for an overtime or shootout win. 0 points for any kind of loss.

Wn the game properly ... show your superiority ... no stupid gimmicks.

I don't disagree with you, but I put it like that because I think they should get more out of OT than out of a shootout. Maybe:

Regulation win - 3 points
OT win - 2 points
Shootout win - 1 point
Any loss - 0 points

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

I just don't see how you can award one team 2 points and the other team 0 points for a shootout. If teams play 60 minutes of 5 on 5 to a draw, and then 5 minutes of 4 on 4 to a draw, it's mind boggling that you can say one team doesn't get any points for winning a 3 person shootout. I'm all for having a discussion regarding extending OT, getting rid of the shootout, having games end in a tie, etc., but to say losing in a shootout is worth zero makes no sense.

I think each game should be worth the same amount of points, whether it's two or three. I prefer the OP's point allocation, but would also be fine with a game ending in a tie and both teams getting one point.

I agree with you there. I think that the shoot out should be removed. And my point system is simply based on the idea that the shoot out is not going anywhere and that I don't like giving out points to teams that lose.

I feel like a game should only be worth two points. I think it doesn't make any sense for a game's value go from 3 to 2 to 1, like the OP is suggesting. It skews the standings and makes things a mess IMO. 2 points for win, 1 point for a tie. What the hell is wrong with a tie!

[troutman]

Best new point system is old point system. Two for win, one for ties. No O/T (or a five min 5 on 5 O/T, no loser points).

Teams make the playoffs based on playing hockey, not gimmicks.

[SuperMatt18]

3 for a regulation win
2 for an OT/SO win
1 for an OT/SO loss

Every game needs to be worth the same amount of points and as long as you use the shootout to decide games you can't use the win/loss method.

If you get rid of the shootout then you can go to a straight win/loss method, but then you run the risk of having multiple OT games in the regular season.

[CaptainYooh]

I still think that a team losing in OT or SO deserves points. I'd have it at:

Any Win - 3 points

Regulation Loss - 0
OT Loss - 1 point
SO Loss - 2 points

[codynw]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

I still think that a team losing in OT or SO deserves points. I'd have it at:

Any Win - 3 points

Regulation Loss - 0
OT Loss - 1 point
SO Loss - 2 points

Would hate this. The point is to give them motivation to win in regulation and not get "at least a point" by dragging the game out.

[Locke]

I remember this a long, long time ago:

3 points for a win
2 points for a tie

Regardless of OT or SO.

Then....now, stick with me because this is where things get crazy...

What happens to that mysterious left-over point? What do you do with it? Does it disappear into the ether?

What should happen is that the left-over point goes into a pot and they hold a short 30-team side tournament where the winner gets the pot of leftover points.

Huh? Huh? Lets turn the whole league into a circus sideshow! Face it, its Edmonton's only chance....

[strombad]

I'm all for 3 point wins.

The hard part is mitigating the desire to push games into the Shootout.

WHAT IF: Now, this might be crazy, BUT!
3 pts - Regulaltion Win
2 pts - Overtime Win
1 pt - Overtime Loss/Shootout Win/Loss

You treat the Shootout essentially like a tie as far as points go, but it is used as a tiebreaker column at the end of the year if a couple teams have the same amount of points. I don't know how that would work, and in fact, the more I type, the more I'm poking holes in my idea.

Oh well, generally though, something like that.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Not a fan of an overtime win being only worth two points.

IMO it should be:

Regulation win: 3 points

Overtime win: 3 points

Overtime loss: 0 points

Shootout win: 2 points

Shootout loss: 1 point

Agreed.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by strombad

I'm all for 3 point wins.

The hard part is mitigating the desire to push games into the Shootout.

WHAT IF: Now, this might be crazy, BUT!
3 pts - Regulaltion Win
2 pts - Overtime Win
1 pt - Overtime Loss/Shootout Win/Loss

You treat the Shootout essentially like a tie as far as points go, but it is used as a tiebreaker column at the end of the year if a couple teams have the same amount of points. I don't know how that would work, and in fact, the more I type, the more I'm poking holes in my idea.

Oh well, generally though, something like that.

What's the point of having a shootout if you get the same amount of points win or lose? Would take all of the excitement out of the shootout and pretty much defeat the purpose of having it. Simply as a tie breaker sounds terrible to me.

[Sylvanfan]

There is only one solution.

All games worth 3 points.

Reg Win 3 points
OT Win 2 points
Shoot out win 1.75 points
Shoot out loss 1.25 points
OT loss 1 point
Regulation loss 0 points.

All games worth 3 points, the shootout winner gets a half point bonus. Everything balances out and the Presidents Trophy winner can finish the year with 135.25 points.

[brocoli]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Regulation win - 3
OT win - 2
OT loss- 1
Ties- 1 (makes shootouts gone)
Regulation loss - 0

1. Every team would want to win for 3 points.
2. Teams would still compete for the extra point if things went to OT
3. Shootouts are gone. After 10 minutes of 4 on 4, there is a tie. Both teams get one point.

Pretty much bring back the old system they had, except make the regulation wins 3 points.

That right there is the biggest improvement that they could make to the game and NHL scoring system. Get rid of gimmicks and use real hockey as a way to decide a game

[dino7c]

all games need to be worth the same amount of points. They only added the loser point so teams wouldn't sit back in OT and wait for the tie. Now, there are no ties so why did they keep the loser point. Back in the day losing in OT was still losing, not sure when that changed. If you want the two points win the game, it all even out in the end anyway since nobody is getting loser points

2 for a win and 0 for a loss not matter how it happens

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

There is only one solution.

All games worth 3 points.

Reg Win 3 points
OT Win 2 points
Shoot out win 1.75 points
Shoot out loss 1.25 points
OT loss 1 point
Regulation loss 0 points.

All games worth 3 points, the shootout winner gets a half point bonus. Everything balances out and the Presidents Trophy winner can finish the year with 135.25 points.

i love fractions!

[Parallex]

I'm more of the opinion that you shouldn't get any points for a losing effort.

2P for a regulation/overtime win
1P for a shootout win
0P for a loss of any kind.

[sun]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Regulation win - 3
OT win - 2
OT loss- 1
Ties- 1 (makes shootouts gone)
Regulation loss - 0

1. Every team would want to win for 3 points.
2. Teams would still compete for the extra point if things went to OT
3. Shootouts are gone. After 10 minutes of 4 on 4, there is a tie. Both teams get one point.

Pretty much bring back the old system they had, except make the regulation wins 3 points.

You guys, you can't have some games worth 3 pts and some worth 2 pts. That is what we're trying to fix here.

Reg win - 3pts
Reg loss - 0 pts

OTW - 3 or 2 pts
OTL - 0 or 1 pt

SOW - 3pts or 2 pts
SOL - 0 or 1pt

Personally, I like 3 pts for an OTW and 2 for a SOW, but the important part is that all games have 3 pts up for grabs.

[strombad]

Why can't you have games worth different amounts?