[GDT] Johnny "Hockey" Gaudreau wins the 2014 Hobey Baker.

[codynw]

Dowd stinks. Gaudreau for president.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Who's belittling them?

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm sure Dowd is a fine player, but is he really worthy of a nomination? His stats are pretty 'meh' for a Hobey finalist.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gaudreau has more assists than Dowd has points.

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

[Papi34]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

The 2 examples you provided are pretty weak. In the first one buddy starts off with Dowd is a fine player.

Come on Puckluck youre better than this dont go all Moon on us

[FanIn80]

What's weird is I always thought of the Hobey Baker as kind of a non-issue. I don't know where I got that in my head, but I just looked at the list of winners (and I swear I've looked at it before, which is really messed up), and there're actually quite a few (relative to the number of times it's been awarded) decent recipients.

George McPhee
Mark Fusco
Tom Kurvers
Bill Watson
Scott Fusco
Tony Hrkac
Robb Stauber (actually, it turns out he only played 8 games in the show - but I remember him for some reason...)
Lane MacDonald
Kip Miller
David Emma
Scott Pellerin
Paul Kariya
Chris Marinucci
Brian Holzinger
Brian Bonin
Brendan Morrison
Chris Drury
Jason Krog
Mike Mottau
Ryan Miller
Jordan Leopold
Peter Sejna
Junior Lessard
Marty Sertich
Matt Carle
Ryan Duncan
Kevin Porter
Matt Gilroy
Blake Geoffrion
Andy Miele
Jack Connolly
Drew LeBlanc

The ones I marked are the ones that were at least good enough (or had been around long enough) for me to remember them. I mean, most of them were pluggers at best, so it's not like I would have spent a lot of time following their careers or anything.

One thing I just thought of, is I wonder how this list compares to other MVP awards from that level of hockey. Also, I wonder if the individual league MVPs had more success than the Baker winners?

Hmm...


Edit: A quick look at the Hockey East MVPs shows that Brian Leetch won both Rookie of the Year and MVP in 1986, yet Scott Fusco won the Hobey Baker...

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by fotze

He only averages being 3.3 years younger than his competition this year, compared to 4.1 years last year.

trending negatively! Trade him before he busts!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

How am I belittling him?

Is it belittling to Messier to say Gretzky has more career assists than he has points?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

What's weird is I always thought of the Hobey Baker as kind of a non-issue. I don't know where I got that in my head, but I just looked at the list of winners (and I swear I've looked at it before, which is really messed up), and there're actually quite a few (relative to the number of times it's been awarded) decent recipients.

George McPhee
Mark Fusco
Tom Kurvers
Bill Watson
Scott Fusco
Tony Hrkac
Robb Stauber (actually, it turns out he only played 8 games in the show - but I remember him for some reason...)
Lane MacDonald
Kip Miller
David Emma
Scott Pellerin
Paul Kariya
Chris Marinucci
Brian Holzinger
Brian Bonin
Brendan Morrison
Chris Drury
Jason Krog
Mike Mottau
Ryan Miller
Jordan Leopold
Peter Sejna
Junior Lessard
Marty Sertich
Matt Carle
Ryan Duncan
Kevin Porter
Matt Gilroy
Blake Geoffrion
Andy Miele
Jack Connolly
Drew LeBlanc

The ones I marked are the ones that were at least good enough (or had been around long enough) for me to remember them. I mean, most of them were pluggers at best, so it's not like I would have spent a lot of time following their careers or anything.

One thing I just thought of, is I wonder how this list compares to other MVP awards from that level of hockey. Also, I wonder if the individual league MVPs had more success than the Baker winners?

Hmm...

Out of that list, are Ryan Miller and Kariya not the only players who won the Baker at age 20 (like Gaudreau)?

[djsFlames]

A week and a half feels so long to wait. But hopefully his Hobey Baker win, BC's championship win, and his contract signing will all be done over one weekend.

[dustygoon]

Robb Stauber was the guy you had to use when you pulled Hrudey in the 1st period and Knickle in the 2nd in NHL '94 if I recall.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

Sidney Crosby has more assists than Sean Monahan has points.

So what you're trying to say is by stating a fact I have belittled Monahan there?

You may need to look up the definition of "belittle".

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

You thought my post was belittling Dowd? Wow, okay then.

As for the criteria of the award, I fail to see how the other two nominees do anything to trump what Gaudreau has done on the ice. He had one of the most dominating offensive seasons in college in the last two decades. It's not belittling to say he should win the award in a landslide, he's just had a fantastic year. He probably should garner every first place vote.

Btw, he won the player in the month today, again. Fourth time this season.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Out of that list, are Ryan Miller and Kariya not the only players who won the Baker at age 20 (like Gaudreau)?

I Was just going to say that without looking into anything I would figure the notables in red probably were younger then the norm.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

That list is obviously just there to NCAA it up. Right from their website: The most coveted award in collegiate hockey, the Hobey Baker Award is given to the top NCAA men’s ice hockey player in the nation

The rest of those qualities are just there so the NCAA can pretend they care about the other stuff. The Heisman trophy has the same stuff in its criteria and judging by who wins that it obviously doesn't matter.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Just hand Johnny the award already.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

What's weird is I always thought of the Hobey Baker as kind of a non-issue. I don't know where I got that in my head, but I just looked at the list of winners (and I swear I've looked at it before, which is really messed up), and there're actually quite a few (relative to the number of times it's been awarded) decent recipients.


Tom Kurvers
...

Kurvers too had a decent career, over 600 NHL games

[Displaced Flames fan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

George McPhee
Mark Fusco
Tom Kurvers
Bill Watson
Scott Fusco
Tony Hrkac
Robb Stauber (actually, it turns out he only played 8 games in the show - but I remember him for some reason...)
Lane MacDonald
Kip Miller
David Emma
Scott Pellerin
Paul Kariya
Chris Marinucci
Brian Holzinger
Brian Bonin
Brendan Morrison
Chris Drury
Jason Krog
Mike Mottau
Ryan Miller
Jordan Leopold
Peter Sejna
Junior Lessard
Marty Sertich
Matt Carle
Ryan Duncan
Kevin Porter
Matt Gilroy
Blake Geoffrion
Andy Miele
Jack Connolly
Drew LeBlanc

.

The players in blue also had at least moderate success in the NHL.

[N-E-B]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Just hand Johnny the award already.

Quit belittling the other nominees!

[Huntingwhale]

It will be a travesty of justice if Johnny doesn't win.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

And just the general tone of the thread.

And especially when you read the Hobey Baker criteria.

Some seem to think this is the Hart trophy. The criteria are as follows and while points are a factor it is no surprise the other two were picked as well.

1. Strength of character, on and off the ice
2. Contribution to the integrity of the team and outstanding skills in all phases of the game
3. Scholastic achievement and sportsmanship
4. Compliance with all NCAA rules, including being a full-time student in an accredited college or university and completing 50 percent or more of the season

Geez, are you belittling Gaudreau's strength of character, integrity and scholastic achievement just because he is fricken good at hockey? Don't belittle Johnny, he is already so tiny!

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Out of that list, are Ryan Miller and Kariya not the only players who won the Baker at age 20 (like Gaudreau)?

It'd be sick if Gaudreau ended up at that level. O_O