[News Roundup] Burke does his homework. Has a hockey trade in the works?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Dion

Curious as to why you think he would be the one that's traded.

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I have the same feeling to be honest. Just doesn't seem like a Burke player.

Originally Posted by DOOM

With the Flames offering Cammy a new contract and our depth at LW it makes sense. (If Cammy re-signs)

If Cammy re-signs, we would have Cammalleri/Glencross/Baertschi/Gaudreau/etc pushing for spots.

There are 43 good reasons to trade Hudler

[Tinordi]

Trade which of Hudler or Cammalleri does the most for your rebuild. Neither guy is a major piece of the puzzle.

[Imported_Aussie]

If the market for Cammalleri is underwhelming, you could keep him on a short term deal to hold the fort until guys like Gaudreau, Grandlund and/or Baertschi are ready for the top 6 spot, then move Hudler for assets in another area of need (physical RW, top 4 D, 1st round pick+ to get either of those)

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Trade which of Hudler or Cammalleri does the most for your rebuild. Neither guy is a major piece of the puzzle.

Trade of Hudler, has the potential of obtaining the best return towards the rebuild. In my view, Mike Cammalleri deal will only a obtain a 2nd round pick type of a trade.

However losing Hudler has the most impact on the Flames short term....

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Imported_Aussie

If the market for Cammalleri is underwhelming, you could keep him on a short term deal to hold the fort until guys like Gaudreau, Grandlund and/or Baertschi are ready for the top 6 spot, then move Hudler for assets in another area of need (physical RW, top 4 D, 1st round pick+ to get either of those)

Why would Cammalleri agree to a short term deal from the Flames? He's going to look at the best deal available in free agency on a competitive team. I think all this extension talk is lip service and he's good as gone.

As for trading Hudler I don't see the point unless the mandate next year is to finish 30th next season to get McDavid. One of the team's best goal scorers in Cammalleri will likely be traded in the next week and trading your leading scorer as well is a sure way to be next years Sabres. If that's what the team wants to do I'm okay with that but I don't think it is. Hudler has been good for Monahan and some of the other kids. I personally felt that Iginla would have developed faster had the team been able to keep Dave Gagner around to mentor him and just going all kids is way too much like the Oilers approach and the Flames young guns disaster.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Dion

That makes sense. If it was me i'd trade Glencross as i'm not a fan of his inconsistant play.

Agreed, but his NTC makes it more difficult, and Hudler is likely in higher demand anyway and would likely generate a better return. That said, I'd actually like to see Burke move both Glencross and Hudler, simply because I think they are our non young assets that will deliver the highest return, more so than any of our expiring contracts.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why would Cammalleri agree to a short term deal from the Flames? He's going to look at the best deal available in free agency on a competitive team. I think all this extension talk is lip service and he's good as gone.

As for trading Hudler I don't see the point unless the mandate next year is to finish 30th next season to get McDavid. One of the team's best goal scorers in Cammalleri will likely be traded in the next week and trading your leading scorer as well is a sure way to be next years Sabres. If that's what the team wants to do I'm okay with that but I don't think it is. Hudler has been good for Monahan and some of the other kids. I personally felt that Iginla would have developed faster had the team been able to keep Dave Gagner around to mentor him and just going all kids is way too much like the Oilers approach and the Flames young guns disaster.

I agree. You need good players to develop good players (and those "good" players need to want to have an active roll in helping them develop). That was one of the biggest problems with the young guns Flames and the current Oilers. This is part of the reason that I was not totally against keeping Iginla.

Trading every veteran worth a damn is not a recipe for building a winner.

[dustygoon]

I'd keep the guy with a ring, gets visibly angry when they lose , and volunteers to let rookies board at his house

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Karl

A bit of hyperbole there with the negativity on Cammalleri especially with the bolded part, no?

Nope. Don't like Cammalleri at all or the way he plays. He's a one way player that doesn't produce enough to allow for his style of play. I think he lacks character and has a negative effect on the team. Hurler is pretty solid in both ends and has shown good character. Cammalleri should be sent packing immediately. The fact Burke is discussing an extension concerns me and Burke's judgement of talent. You can't say the things Burke has said and then entertain keeping Mile Cammalleri around. Loses credibility IMO.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by New Era

Nope. Don't like Cammalleri at all or the way he plays. He's a one way player that doesn't produce enough to allow for his style of play. I think he lacks character and has a negative effect on the team. Hurler is pretty solid in both ends and has shown good character. Cammalleri should be sent packing immediately. The fact Burke is discussing an extension concerns me and Burke's judgement of talent. You can't say the things Burke has said and then entertain keeping Mile Cammalleri around. Loses credibility IMO.

I suppose it is all your opinion, but you're not exactly a great talent scout yourself.

Hudler and Cammy are nearly interchangeable. Hyperbole is not necessary to justify one over the other. I think Hudler has higher value because of a discounted contract that has term, but he floats just like Cammy does. Cammy might float a bit more, but he's also much more of a natural point producer than Hudler.

Regardless, I think both guys fetch similar packages, and I don't think keeping one over the other has any negative or positive implication to the Flames.

[Tinordi]

Could see teams like Washington, Minnesota, Dallas, Toronto interested in Hudler.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by strombad

I suppose it is all your opinion, but you're not exactly a great talent scout yourself.

Hudler and Cammy are nearly interchangeable. Hyperbole is not necessary to justify one over the other. I think Hudler has higher value because of a discounted contract that has term, but he floats just like Cammy does. Cammy might float a bit more, but he's also much more of a natural point producer than Hudler.

Regardless, I think both guys fetch similar packages, and I don't think keeping one over the other has any negative or positive implication to the Flames.

I would suggest that none of us on here are.............

[strombad]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I would suggest that none of us on here are.............

I would suggest that you're a terrible CP talent scout of CP talent scouts. At least... like.... 73% of us are.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by strombad

I would suggest that you're a terrible CP talent scout of CP talent scouts. At least... like.... 73% of us are.

Ahem.



72%.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Could see teams like Washington, Minnesota, Dallas, Toronto interested in Hudler.

If Anaheim is looking for an upgrade on left wing I bet they are involved as well.

Hudler gives you cost certainty as a contender moving forward. Valuable commodity.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Why would Cammalleri agree to a short term deal from the Flames? He's going to look at the best deal available in free agency on a competitive team. I think all this extension talk is lip service and he's good as gone.

As for trading Hudler I don't see the point unless the mandate next year is to finish 30th next season to get McDavid. One of the team's best goal scorers in Cammalleri will likely be traded in the next week and trading your leading scorer as well is a sure way to be next years Sabres. If that's what the team wants to do I'm okay with that but I don't think it is. Hudler has been good for Monahan and some of the other kids. I personally felt that Iginla would have developed faster had the team been able to keep Dave Gagner around to mentor him and just going all kids is way too much like the Oilers approach and the Flames young guns disaster.

You're assuming the Flames are dumping him for picks and prospects who not yet ready to play in the NHL. Maybe they're getting a veteran who is larger and fits Burke's vision of truculence, or maybe a defenseman, or maybe Hudler and a goalie for another goalie who can lead the team for years to come.

[GreenLantern]

I bet Tampa would love to get their hands on Hudler and Calgary could take Malone back as part of the deal to wash out the contracts.

He is big and over paid, Burke will love him.

I kid I kid..

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

I'd keep the guy with a ring, gets visibly angry when they lose , and volunteers to let rookies board at his house

Also because Detroit

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by strombad

Cammy might float a bit more, but he's also much more of a natural point producer than Hudler.

Comparing how these 2 players have performed lately your statement might qualify as hyerbole.

Cammy

2011-12     Montreal Canadiens     NHL     38     9      13     22      
2011-12     Calgary Flames         NHL     28     11      8     19      
2012-13     Calgary Flames         NHL     44     13     19     32           
2013-14     Calgary Flames         NHL     41     13      8     21       
                                           151    46     48     94

Hudler

2011-12     Detroit Red Wings     NHL     81     25     25     50         
2012-13     Calgary Flames        NHL     42     10     17     27     
2013-14     Calgary Flames        NHL     58     14     29     43      
                                         181     49     71    120

[PeteMoss]

0.67 PPG vs 0.62 PPG for Hudler (and that all comes from this year).