Come on America

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

It won't happen.

Doctors are educated, and anti-gay beliefs find their home largely in the ignorant.

I think it is a mistake to equate increased education with increased tolerance. It is simply not true in many parts of the world.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think it is a mistake to equate increased education with increased tolerance. It is simply not true in many parts of the world.

Hell, it's not true here. Have you seen engineers?

[photon]

Originally Posted by habernac

didn't Kansas also do this recently?

They were trying, but it didn't go through. Same with Idaho, South Dakota, and Tennessee.

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by flameswin

In a time when it seems very obvious in North America, where the world is headed, the United States just continually goes backwards. I feel really sorry for normal, progressive Americans. They should just move to Canada.

I did ... well trying. Im still technically a visitor until my paperwork is approved.

[Red Slinger]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

The people as a whole? Maybe, but they certainly are electing some garbage candidates into office.

I think this is a really salient point.

I don't think there's anything really wrong with Americans in general except with the way that they vote. The American two party system has evolved over the decades where some people will always vote Republican and some people will always vote Democrat, whether the specific candidate is ethical, effective, represents the voters views or even has policies that favour the voters self interest. While the American society in general has gotten progressively more liberal over the decades the Republican party has gotten much more conservative. So those conservative pockets of American that always vote Republican (not unlike Alberta) are now supporting some candidates that are inching towards the lunatic fringe and putting policies in place that are borderline draconian.

If the trend continues I think 1 of 3 things will happen:

1) A new center-right leaning party is formed with the aim of winning back some of the Democrats favoured demographics: immigrants, women, latinos, etc.

2) The Republicans continue to support these hillbilly morons that are driving their party off the cliff. They will get wiped out in election after election but hold onto to pockets of the south and midwest and due to gerrymandering, they will still have decent representation in Congress. They will also continue to reap the rewards of their cosy relationship with corporate America.

3) The Republicans continue to go further and further to the right to placate the red meat carnivores in their party. The country will fracture. Rick Perry of Texas has already threatened this a few times. The South shall rise again.

In the short term I think option 2 is most likely until the void of party leadership is filled with a real leader. And I'm not talking about a Reagan type of leader who makes a good speach but ultimately does whatever the money says he should do but rather someone who can control (or even expel) the nutbars from the party and bring them back to being the party of Lincoln. It's no good for anyone to have a Democratic Party without a real challenger. Ideally, I'd like to see a real third party join the fray but that seems unlikely.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hell, it's not true here. Have you seen engineers?

Green text I hope

[Red Slinger]

Not green text I hope.

Engineers are very educated to be engineers but in my experience most of them aren't educated in too much beyond that. I say that having worked in the engineering industry for almost 20 years and both of my parents being PhD's in Engineering.

I've always thought that engineers should be forced to take lots of liberal arts courses like:

-Ethics for Engineers: Just cuz you can do it doesn't mean you should
-Humanities for Engineers: How do I interact with the humans
-Sociology for Engineers: Understanding sarcasm and basic body language
-General Studies for Engineers: Brushing your hair and wearing clean clothes doesn't make you a bad engineer

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Hell, it's not true here. Have you seen engineers?

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean, but people with real science backgrounds, I find show a high level of tolerance where social issues are concerned.

Where do you think someone would find more tolerance towards their unique cultural or sexuality differences?

- large engineering firm
- military
- church

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean, but people with real science backgrounds, I find show a high level of tolerance where social issues are concerned.

Where do you think someone would find more tolerance towards their unique cultural or sexuality differences?

- large engineering firm
- military
- church

You picked three closely linked entities.

[PaperBagger'14]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Not green text I hope.

Engineers are very educated to be engineers but in my experience most of them aren't educated in too much beyond that. I say that having worked in the engineering industry for almost 20 years and both of my parents being PhD's in Engineering.

I've always thought that engineers should be forced to take lots of liberal arts courses like:

-Ethics for Engineers: Just cuz you can do it doesn't mean you should
-Humanities for Engineers: How do I interact with the humans
-Sociology for Engineers: Understanding sarcasm and basic body language
-General Studies for Engineers: Brushing your hair and wearing clean clothes doesn't make you a bad engineer

Did you just say both of your parents need to brush their hair and wear clean clothes? Or are/were they bad engineers?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Not green text I hope.

Engineers are very educated to be engineers but in my experience most of them aren't educated in too much beyond that. I say that having worked in the engineering industry for almost 20 years and both of my parents being PhD's in Engineering.

I've always thought that engineers should be forced to take lots of liberal arts courses like:

-Ethics for Engineers: Just cuz you can do it doesn't mean you should
-Humanities for Engineers: How do I interact with the humans
-Sociology for Engineers: Understanding sarcasm and basic body language
-General Studies for Engineers: Brushing your hair and wearing clean clothes doesn't make you a bad engineer

That third one cracked me up, so true!

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

Not green text I hope.

Engineers are very educated to be engineers but in my experience most of them aren't educated in too much beyond that. I say that having worked in the engineering industry for almost 20 years and both of my parents being PhD's in Engineering.

I've always thought that engineers should be forced to take lots of liberal arts courses like:

-Ethics for Engineers: Just cuz you can do it doesn't mean you should
-Humanities for Engineers: How do I interact with the humans
-Sociology for Engineers: Understanding sarcasm and basic body language
-General Studies for Engineers: Brushing your hair and wearing clean clothes doesn't make you a bad engineer

Funny thing is, we are required to take an Ethics for Engineer course, and our P.Eng. certification rides on passing an exam on ethics. But in reality, the course and the exams are kinda silly. More like, we need more non-weirdos to go into engineering and not be tainted by the existing weirdos.

The best compliment I ever got was from someone who said "you're the least engineer-y engineer I know" lol.

[Red Ice Player]

The Texas law banning same sex marriage has been ruled unconstitutional, and therefore struck down. There are going to be a lot of heads exploding in Amurica today.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politi...sex/index.html

[undercoverbrother]

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Red Ice Player

The Texas law banning same sex marriage has been ruled unconstitutional, and therefore struck down. There are going to be a lot of heads exploding in Amurica today.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politi...sex/index.html

We should start a new thread this topic is spread out in about 3 threads now.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

We should start a new thread this topic is spread out in about 3 threads now.

Excellent idea.

[kirant]

Reading this thread, I'm going to ask this: Who else agrees with this split?

Spoiler!

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I think it is a mistake to equate increased education with increased tolerance. It is simply not true in many parts of the world.

Absolutely. I should have thrown in they are an educated group that actually cares about people (I think a fair generalization to make for almost all doctors). I bet the vast majority of doctors aren't looking to strip away anyone's human rights.

[trackercowe]

I am not sure if this has already been posted, but the NFL is in the early stages of implementing plans to take away the Super Bowl from Arizona if they don't change their stance on this bill in a hurry.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/stor...-game-location

The proposed Arizona bill that opponents say will legalize discrimination against gays has not directly put the site of next year’s Super Bowl in limbo … yet. But it has the attention of the NFL and of the host committee, with the committee clearly stating, “We do not support this legislation,” and the NFL saying it is “following the issue” and is against what the law supports.

Arizona State Bill 1062, passed by the legislature last week, would allow businesses, like restaurants and retail stores, to deny service to anybody based on the owner’s religious beliefs. Gov. Jan Brewer has yet to sign it.

The NFL has already pulled the Super Bowl out of Arizona once, in 1993, in reaction to the state’s refusal to make Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a state holiday. The switch was part of a long-term, widespread economic boycott of the state, including by the NBA’s All-Star Game and league meetings and several college football teams.

[Red Slinger]

It is insane to think that a bill like that can pass in this day and age, even in the politically wacky state that brought us Jan Brewer.

So, if a business owner doesn't want to serve Jews, Blacks, Catholics, Poles, Latinos, etc based on the business owners religious beliefs it's okay? I'm guessing the Supreme Court will definately have something to say about this. And aren't the legislators in Arizona getting tired of having their laws overturned by the Supreme Court? At some point you'd think the electorate in Arizona would wake up.