[News] Ortio and Breen assigned to Abbotsford

[getbak]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

I wonder when their flights will get into Abby. Depending on how the game goes tonight, it would be nice to have them ready. Texas Stars is the toughest opponent we face in the west.

When is Breen subject to waivers again?

I assume they'll fly with the Flames back to Calgary, then take the next available flight to Abbotsford. There's an 8:00 flight tonight that they can probably get on, if the Flames came back right after the game.

Breen won't require waivers until after the deadline. Waivers expire once the player has played 10 NHL games, or been on the NHL roster for 30 days, neither of which will pass before the trade deadline.

[Dion]

Ortio coming up for a cup of coffee will pay dividends with his game development. Seeing the game at an NHL level and being around the players helps to give him an idea of what is expected at the NHL level. That and he probably got some good coaching from Malarchuk.

[PeteMoss]

What is happening with the Kings and this move explains why the Flames didn't just put Ramo on IR. I guess there is a rule that an NHL team has to have two goalies on their active roster (even during the Olympic break). The Kings sent Martin Jones back down to get some games in during the break but had to call up another goalie to just sit on their roster for the break.

If Ramo had gone on IR I assume the Flames couldn't have sent Ortio back down (or would have had to call up MacDonald or Roy).

Actually works out nicely for that Kings goalie. As per Capgeek, he makes $40k/year in the AHL. With his NHL salary he'll make $31,000 for 11 days on the NHL roster.

[Iceman90]

This doesn't surprise me at all. If I were the GM, I'd reassign everyone who doesn't need to clear waivers.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

This doesn't surprise me at all. If I were the GM, I'd reassign everyone who doesn't need to clear waivers.

Read the post above you; it looks like minimum roster size needs to remain during the break.

[Iceman90]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

What is happening with the Kings and this move explains why the Flames didn't just put Ramo on IR. I guess there is a rule that an NHL team has to have two goalies on their active roster (even during the Olympic break). The Kings sent Martin Jones back down to get some games in during the break but had to call up another goalie to just sit on their roster for the break.

Could a team go and sign some retired NHL'ers or U of C Dinos guys to 2 weeks worth of tryout contracts to keep the roster full? We could bring Conroy and Gelinas out of retirement just to fill roster space.

[PIMking]

he did better than Ramholt

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

Could a team go and sign some retired NHL'ers or U of C Dinos guys to 2 weeks worth of tryout contracts to keep the roster full? We could bring Conroy and Gelinas out of retirement just to fill roster space.

No, the NHLPA would take huge issue with that if there wasn't an explicit rule against it. Definitely would go against the spirit of something or another.


At least with Martin Jones in LA, he may be making his AHL salary for the next couple weeks, but Berube will be getting a nice bonus on his vacation. Paying some coaches wouldn't fly.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

Could a team go and sign some retired NHL'ers or U of C Dinos guys to 2 weeks worth of tryout contracts to keep the roster full? We could bring Conroy and Gelinas out of retirement just to fill roster space.

It was posted in another thread, but the CBA listed the exact conditions of who could and couldn't be sent down during the Olympics, depending on how long before, and how much time players had spent on the NHL roster leading up to the break.

For instance, if Monahan had been of age, even though he is on entry level contract, he would have been in eligible because he has been on the NHL roster the whole season.

Correct me if I am wrong please.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

It was posted in another thread, but the CBA listed the exact conditions of who could and couldn't be sent down during the Olympics, depending on how long before, and how much time players had spent on the NHL roster leading up to the break.

For instance, if Monahan had been of age, even though he is on entry level contract, he would have been in eligible because he has been on the NHL roster the whole season.

Correct me if I am wrong please.

That is correct. That's why we won't see Yakupov or Nugent-Hopkins sent down even though they don't need waivers to be sent down. I believe the Oilers can "loan" them to the AHL, to save cap space, but they can't play or practice during the break.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...ticle16548337/

- As Elliotte Friedman pointed out earlier in the day, players are paid throughout the break, so there could be some cap-related manoeuvrings prior to the freeze. One NHL executive noted that one bizarre loophole with the break is some entry level players can be “loaned” (i.e. demoted to the minors) for cap reasons even if they aren’t eligible to play in the AHL, making it merely a paper transaction. (NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly said that was a simplified way of looking at what’s possible during the break but “not categorically inaccurate.”)

- Why can’t some players play in the AHL? Well the league and the NHLPA negotiated a big, long list of stipulations over which players get an Olympic break and which ones don’t, a string of legalese that’s not included in the CBA. Basically, players who don’t require waivers to be sent down still get the time off if (a) they were on an NHL roster (or injured reserve) for at least 75 per cent of the days between Oct. 1 and Jan. 24, including being in the NHL on Jan. 24 or later or (b) they participated in 16 of the last 20 games before the break.

- Regardless of their age or contract status, players who fall into those two groups are deemed to have earned an Olympic break and can’t “practice, participate or play” with their AHL team at any point during the 10-day break.

- If you want to put a veteran player on waivers, however, in order to play them in the minors during the break, that’s fair game. That’s a pretty cold move if it’s a player that’s been on your roster all season and planning for some time off, but it would save some cap space.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Iceman90

Could a team go and sign some retired NHL'ers or U of C Dinos guys to 2 weeks worth of tryout contracts to keep the roster full? We could bring Conroy and Gelinas out of retirement just to fill roster space.

No tryout contracts in the NHL only in the AHL.

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

No tryout contracts in the NHL only in the AHL.

Not true. At the end of the season, players from NCAA can play in the NHL on tryouts.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Not true. At the end of the season, players from NCAA can play in the NHL on tryouts.

No, they cant.

Did you mean AHL?

[dying4acup]

Originally Posted by DOOM

No, they cant.

Did you mean AHL?

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they can play on try out in the NHL also.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by dying4acup

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think they can play on try out in the NHL also.

Maybe look it up. As an example Hanowski was signed to a NHL contract last season and seems to have used up a year of his contract although playing only 5 games.
I think if he had gone to the AHL, he could have played on the try out contract.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/2457

They are allowed a one game PTO contract in an emergency, say for a goalie but it's a non paying contract.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Maybe look it up. As an example Hanowski was signed to a NHL contract last season and seems to have used up a year of his contract although playing only 5 games.
I think if he had gone to the AHL, he could have played on the try out contract.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/2457

They are allowed a one game PTO contract in an emergency, say for a goalie but it's a non paying contract.

you are correct

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

[QUOTE=nik-;4615227]Whose confidence?/QUOTE]

Sven's?

[PeteMoss]

Kings did this one as well:

- If you want to put a veteran player on waivers, however, in order to play them in the minors during the break, that’s fair game. That’s a pretty cold move if it’s a player that’s been on your roster all season and planning for some time off, but it would save some cap space.

They put Colin Fraser on waivers and I assume are sending him down today to save cap space.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Maybe look it up. As an example Hanowski was signed to a NHL contract last season and seems to have used up a year of his contract although playing only 5 games.
I think if he had gone to the AHL, he could have played on the try out contract.

http://www.capgeek.com/player/2457


They are allowed a one game PTO contract in an emergency, say for a goalie but it's a non paying contract.

Hanowski's high school stats are hilarious on that page.. 135pts in 31 games.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Kings did this one as well:



They put Colin Fraser on waivers and I assume are sending him down today to save cap space.

How will Burke resist?

Ortio and Breen are back in Abby. Breen will play today, Ortio will likely back up Roy, as kudos to his excellent play while Orts was on recall.