[News] Calgary Flames' struggles wearing on honcho Brian Burke

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by 1991 Canadian

The problem is if you trade a small skilled guy like Russell/Brodie/Wideman for a bigger defenseman you are probably looking at getting a guy like Adam Pardy. Sure your backend will get bigger, but you will lose some skill in the process.

A similar thing happened when Vancouver traded Hodgson for Kassian. You generally have to lose a bit of skill if you want to get bigger. I don't think that trade has been a good value for Vancouver. Hopefully Burkes/tba puppet GM's moves will be a bit more favourable than that.

I am somewhat curious what people think about this thought
Do you think Calgary needs to get bigger even if it means trading away some of our smaller more skilled players (to compete in the west)?

Add more value and we can get big and skilled. We dont have to do 1 for 1. Package deal with Cammy + Stempniak for a prospect or Russel + Stajan or whatever pile of garbage you have laying around for a stud D man (not sure if that will happen again) but hey Burke has done it before.

[really?]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Add more value and we can get big and skilled. We dont have to do 1 for 1. Package deal with Cammy + Stempniak for a prospect or Russel + Stajan or whatever pile of garbage you have laying around for a stud D man (not sure if that will happen again) but hey Burke has done it before.

That's a great thought, but where are you going to find a GM desperate and dense enough to trade a big, young, effective D Man for a bag of unwanted parts? Never going to happen. A franchise could spend a decade overcoming that type of short term thinking.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by really?

That's a great thought, but where are you going to find a GM desperate and dense enough to trade a big, young, effective D Man for a bag of unwanted parts? Never going to happen. A franchise could spend a decade overcoming that type of short term thinking.

Its happened before. We have Burke, let the fleecing begin!!

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

""Burke can’t stress enough that he’ll do nothing to sacrifice long-term gain in an attempt to stem short-term pain."

He already sacrificed our long-term wiuth his short-term stupidness in sacking feaster

Sack >Burke and re-hire feaster, he knew what he was doing."


--- wow these comments are asinine.

LOl took me a couple reads to realize you were quoting a comment from the article. I was just about to climb up all over you about this inanity.

[Lanny'sDaMan]

Originally Posted by really?

That's a great thought, but where are you going to find a GM desperate and dense enough to trade a big, young, effective D Man for a bag of unwanted parts? Never going to happen. A franchise could spend a decade overcoming that type of short term thinking.

The Phanuef trade fiasco begs to differ.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by H2SO4(aq)

""Burke can’t stress enough that he’ll do nothing to sacrifice long-term gain in an attempt to stem short-term pain."

He already sacrificed our long-term wiuth his short-term stupidness in sacking feaster

Sack >Burke and re-hire feaster, he knew what he was doing."


--- wow these comments are asinine.

Well, sacking Feaster seemed to suck the life out of the team.

Before Feasters firing:

11-15-4
2.63 gf average
shutout 0 times

After Feaster:

5-11-2
1.5 gf average
shutout 6 times

Writing on the wall here, I know for a fact at least 3 players don't like nor trust Burke, his big mouth and the way he treats players doesn't rest well with some of them, before Burke there was no quit in this team, now when they get down in a game it's all quit.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well, sacking Feaster seemed to suck the life out of the team.

Before Feasters firing:

11-15-4
2.63 gf average
shutout 0 times

After Feaster:

5-11-2
1.5 gf average
shutout 6 times

Writing on the wall here, I know for a fact at least 3 players don't like nor trust Burke, his big mouth and the way he treats players doesn't rest well with some of them, before Burke there was no quit in this team, now when they get down in a game it's all quit.

Straight up I have a feeling the team has been told to pull a Colorado. We were actually in danger of being a bubble team at one point which doesn't serve much purpose tbh. Thats my conspiracy theory anyway.

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Lanny'sDaMan

LOl took me a couple reads to realize you were quoting a comment from the article. I was just about to climb up all over you about this inanity.

I almost did the same thing!

[868904]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well, sacking Feaster seemed to suck the life out of the team.

Before Feasters firing:

11-15-4
2.63 gf average
shutout 0 times

After Feaster:

5-11-2
1.5 gf average
shutout 6 times

Writing on the wall here, I know for a fact at least 3 players don't like nor trust Burke, his big mouth and the way he treats players doesn't rest well with some of them, before Burke there was no quit in this team, now when they get down in a game it's all quit.

Of course it sucked the life out of the team! Guys like Stajan, Stempniak, Cammy and Butler were probably expecting big money long term extensions from Feaster, but now, they know they are gone as UFA's and will have settle for one year "show me" deals next year (with the exception of Cammy).

Kris Russell was probably in line for a 3 year $9 million deal with Feaster at the helm. I'm thinking Burke will give him a "show me last year was't a fluke offer".

The young kids have played well since the firing. Monahan, Backlund, Byron, Bouma, Colborne have pretty much outplayed the vets, who have struggled big time since the change.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Well Stajan, Stempniak, Cammalleri and Butler shouldn't be quitting on anything since they are in contract years. They have more reason to try hard than they do to suck and try to pin it on Burke.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by 868904

Kris Russell was probably in line for a 3 year $9 million deal with Feaster at the helm. I'm thinking Burke will give him a "show me last year was't a fluke offer".

Actually, I think he's still in line for a 3x3. If not with Calgary, then one of the other teams, as he's an unrestricted free agent.

[Vinny01]

It seems like the Flames/Francis read CP quite regularly. A couple days after the "tired of nothing happening" thread is made this article comes out. Not much is happening but Burke is working really hard and is really upset with the team. It makes sense since this community is the online pulse of the fan base.

This certainly has been a really difficult part of the season and we all are excited to see the first vet shipped out. To me this article buys a little more time as I do not see the Flames making a move until shortly before the Olympic break at the earliest.

I fully expect the new GM to be hired shortly after the draft and have no problem with Burke driving the bus until then. Better him than a guy like Shannahan

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Straight up I have a feeling the team has been told to pull a Colorado. We were actually in danger of being a bubble team at one point which doesn't serve much purpose tbh. Thats my conspiracy theory anyway.

I think the team just sucks. No conspiracy theories just a very bad team

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Actually, I think he's still in line for a 3x3. If not with Calgary, then one of the other teams, as he's an unrestricted free agent.

He has to come back with a strong end to the season. His good first half has in no way earned him a 3 year 3 per deal. This guy went unclaimed on waivers this summer before Feaster traded for him. He has played great but would need more than a strong 35 or so games to earn a long term deal from another team

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Straight up I have a feeling the team has been told to pull a Colorado. We were actually in danger of being a bubble team at one point which doesn't serve much purpose tbh. Thats my conspiracy theory anyway.

Conspiracy theories and dreams of great players swapped for our scraps. Can I have what you're smoking? It seems like it must be powerful.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Conspiracy theories and dreams of great players swapped for our scraps. Can I have what you're smoking? It seems like it must be powerful.

I just have faith that Burke will pull off at least one heist for us. He seems to be good for one or two fleecings every team he's been with.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well, sacking Feaster seemed to suck the life out of the team.

Before Feasters firing:

11-15-4
2.63 gf average
shutout 0 times

After Feaster:

5-11-2
1.5 gf average
shutout 6 times

Writing on the wall here, I know for a fact at least 3 players don't like nor trust Burke, his big mouth and the way he treats players doesn't rest well with some of them, before Burke there was no quit in this team, now when they get down in a game it's all quit.

Isn't Burke regarded as a GM who treats his players great? Sure I could see some players that don't like the way Burke talks.

I don't know many people that thought the Flames would have the same compete level the entire season. It is a long year and teams quickly realized they would have to play hard when playing the Flames.

[dammage79]

That's the thing with Burke. When the trigger gets pulled we all won't be going "Who'd we get?" once the announcement is made.

Aside from a couple people here, who the heck knew of Hanowski, Agostino, Berra and Cundari? Not saying these players were terrible acquisitions but they were certainly pulled out of far left field.

[madmike]

I'm still not a huge Burke fan. I think he's grossly overrated. I guess time will tell.

The team was built to stink regardless of who was in charge. We just have to live with it for at least a couple of years. I just pray Burke doesn't do anything rash to try and turn it around quickly.

[FlamesAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well, sacking Feaster seemed to suck the life out of the team.

Before Feasters firing:

11-15-4
2.63 gf average
shutout 0 times

After Feaster:

5-11-2
1.5 gf average
shutout 6 times

Writing on the wall here, I know for a fact at least 3 players don't like nor trust Burke, his big mouth and the way he treats players doesn't rest well with some of them, before Burke there was no quit in this team, now when they get down in a game it's all quit.

While Burke's reputation probably precedes him, I think no matter who you bring in after firing Feaster the status quo gets disrupted and it will have a ripple effect. Players who previously had a good idea of where they sat within the organization all of the sudden are left wondering where they stand.

I don't see it as a bad thing though. Burke strikes me as not the most personable fellow but someone who will also do whatever it takes to make the organization better. Very different GM style than Feaster, and that might rub some players the wrong way, but it's not necessarily a bad thing. He's done some good things with different organizations.

Personally some of the vets I was ready to keep around a month or two ago I am now happy trading or letting walk to free agency. This season and at least the next aren't going to be the easiest and if they can't, or are unwilling to, handle a new GM being brought in, Burke or whomever, then they probably shouldn't be here in the first place.