[CP Story] Flames Fire Feaster

[badger89]

Feaster and Weisbrood's model for building the team with small, skilled players does not match with Burke's model. It's as simple as that.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by badger89

Feaster and Weisbrood's model for building the team with small, skilled players does not match with Burke's model. It's as simple as that.

What does that mean for the rebuild going forward? We have quite a few small prospects that look to be the top of our heap. If we're going big, we need to burn it down again? A lot of player movement coming up?

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by New Era

What does that mean for the rebuild going forward? We have quite a few small prospects that look to be the top of our heap. If we're going big, we need to burn it down again? A lot of player movement coming up?

I don't think this is completely true. Burke was quoted saying that he can have small, skilled guys in the top 6 but they need to be surrounded by some "beef." So guys like Sven and Gaudreau are safe if they can produce.

[badger89]

I'm expecting some player moves. Smaller players out and bigger, more physical players in. Two of Backlund, Sven, Cammalleri, Stempniak, and Hudlr probably have to be moved. And two of Butler, Wideman, Russell, Brodie. Switch four of them out for bigger players, and the team looks to be way more balanced.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

What does that mean for the rebuild going forward? We have quite a few small prospects that look to be the top of our heap. If we're going big, we need to burn it down again? A lot of player movement coming up?

Quite a few? Really only Gaudreau is tiny. Baertschi is only slightly below average height

Gillies - Huge
Monahan - Above average
Poirier - Average, may end up above average
Klimchuk - Below average, may end up average
Wotherspoon - Above average
Jankowski - Above average, could end up huge
Sieloff - Average but plays very physical
Reinhart - Average
Colborne - Huge
Brodie - Average
Ferland - Above average
Granlund - Average
Arnold - Average
Hanowski - Above average
Knight - Above average
Culkin - Average
Kanizg - Huge
Kulak - Average
Ramage - Average
Backlund - Average

Those are probably most of our top prospects and young players no? So we have a pretty low % of below average sized players. Yes, a few of our top prospects at weak are the smaller, skilled types. But really that doesn't mean any change needs to happen.

Doesn't take a genius to see we have too many small wingers. But I think it's much more likely Burke deals a guy like Cammalleri or Byron than Gaudreau/Baertschi. If he can get tremendous value for a guy like Baertschi then of course its fine to move him. But I don't think this forces or even encourages Burke to deal Baertschi and Gaudreau.

Why would we need to "burn it down again"? That's a sensationalist suggestion. Burke could tweak the criteria he wants the scouts to prioritize and make a couple trades and accomplish a lot in terms of adding size/strength/tenacity. I don't think anyone is looking to burn it down again. And really we only started burning it down last trade deadline so it hasn't even been a full year yet. We're still early in the rebuild. Tweaking philosophy and criteria you emphasize doesn't mean you have to start over.

[Sylvanfan]

The interview that Burke did on NHL radio on Thursday was pretty good. He mentioned that many organizations in pro sports are moving towards a model where the president has a high level role in player personell stuff and the GM does a lot more grunt work such as negotiating contracts for 6th round picks. He claimed that initially he wasn't interested in the job because he still wanted to be a GM and that he felt that if he waited he would get the chance. But Calgary presented him the job offer with this structure, he felt that the presidents job in this structure was the job he really did want, because a lot of the duties that he didn't care for could be delegated to the GM, letting him focus on the things he loved about the job.

I think one thing Burke will bring is an identity. He was talking about how Perry and Getzlaf were able to come into the NHL and not get intimidated because they had a big team to support them. He did admit that they were big guys, but lets face it, without tough teammates, Corey Perry is getting run at by other teams constantly in his rookie year. If the foundation of the team is a tough team, skilled guys will be able to come in the lineup and not be run by other teams without consequence. Feaster kept changing directions....he made the Flames into a small team with supposed skill....and that team proved to be awful. Than he decided he needed more size. All the while not getting good enough players for the team to fill those roles.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Quite a few? Really only Gaudreau is tiny. Baertschi is only slightly below average height.

Average player in the NHL is now 6.133, 205.

Gillies - Huge, but goaltenders don't count on a size or tough to play against measure.
Monahan - Just above average in height, but below average in weight. Should get to above average in both.
Poirier - Average in height, below average in weight. Should get to above average in both.
Klimchuk - Below average in both. Will likely be slightly below average in both. Importantly, he plays bigger than he is, but he's still smallish.
Wotherspoon - Slightly below average. Should get to above average in both.
Jankowski - Above average in height, below average in weight. If he grows into his hands he'll be a monster. Plays softer than he should, but that is coming around.
Sieloff - Below average in both. Should get to above average in both, but plays does very physical.
Reinhart - Below average in both. Plays bigger and harder.
Colborne - Huge. Plays small.
Brodie - Average. Plays small.
Ferland - Above average in both. Total keeper.
Granlund - Below average in both measures. Plays small as well.
Arnold - Slightly below average. Plays a smaller game, but this may change in the pros.
Hanowski - Average in both measures.
Knight - Average in both measures.
Culkin - Average. Plays small.
Kanizg - Huge. Just no skill to go along with it.
Kulak - Below average in both measures. Plays small.
Ramage - Slightly below average in both measures. Plays bigger.
Backlund - Average.

I would say our best prospects with potential to be top six players are all small and play small. Our big guys are mostly third and forth line players. The exception being Jankowski, but he has a long road too go. On the blueline we don't have anyone with tangible size or skill to be a top end player. The guys with the skill are all smallish. The big guys are bottom pairing guys. If you were classifying our players how would you do it? Small, Medium, Large?

Top six: Monahan (M), Baertschi (S), Gaudreau (S), Granlund (S), Poirier (M), Klimchuk (S), Jankowski (L)

Bottom six: Colborne (L), Knight (M), Ferland (L), Hanowski (M), Arnold (M), Reinhart (M)

Top pair: Brodie (M)

Second pair: Sieloff (M), Wotherspoon (M)

Third pair: Ramage (M), Culkin (M), Kulak (S), Kanzig (XL)

Some of these guys, like Monahan, could step up to the next size with some additional weight, or if the measure adjusts net year. Fair assessment?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Quite a few? Really only Gaudreau is tiny. Baertschi is only slightly below average height

Gillies - Huge
Monahan - Above average
Poirier - Average, may end up above average
Klimchuk - Below average, may end up average
Wotherspoon - Above average
Jankowski - Above average, could end up huge
Sieloff - Average but plays very physical
Reinhart - Average
Colborne - Huge
Brodie - Average
Ferland - Above average
Granlund - Average
Arnold - Average
Hanowski - Above average
Knight - Above average
Culkin - Average
Kanizg - Huge
Kulak - Average
Ramage - Average
Backlund - Average

Those are probably most of our top prospects and young players no? So we have a pretty low % of below average sized players. Yes, a few of our top prospects at weak are the smaller, skilled types. But really that doesn't mean any change needs to happen.

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Home town sizing.

The average forward is 72.93" (6' 1") tall, weighs 202.4 lbs

The average defenseman is 73.87" (6' 1 7/8") tall, weighs 209.66 lbs

Monahan - Above average - 6-2 195 average
Poirier - Average, may end up above average 6-1 185 small but may end up being average
Klimchuk - Below average, may end up average 6-0 180 small and will have a challenge to grow into average
Wotherspoon - Above average 6-2 210 exactly average
Jankowski - Above average, could end up huge 6-2 175 could end up average
Sieloff - Average but plays very physical 6-1 210 average haven't seen him play against men
Reinhart - Average 6-1 185 light
Colborne - Huge 6-5 213
Brodie - Average 6-1 185 undersized
Ferland - Above average 6-2 215 above average
Granlund - Average 6-0 185 undersized
Arnold - Average 6-0 210 average
Hanowski - Above average 6-2 210 above average
Knight - Above average 6-2 200 average
Culkin - Average 6-2 185 below average might be able to add 25 pounds to become average
Kanizg - Huge 6-7 241
Kulak - Average 6-1 195 below average might grow into average only 15 pounds
Ramage - Average 6-0 200 undersized
Backlund - Average 6-0 198 below average




so out of Flames under 23 guys there is Kanzig and Colbourne who are clearly bigger than average.

Ferland, Bouma and Hankowski that are slightly above average.

Wotherspoon , Knight, Arnold and Sieloff, Monahan that are average

And then best of the young players

Brodie, Backlund, Baertschi, Rienhart, Klimchuck, Gaudreau that are all below average

Jankoiwski and Porier are small but have a chance grow into average.

The Flames fans have become accustomed to guys like Stempniak, Glencross and Stajan (all slightly below average size) playing the big man roles that when Backlund focuses and plays hard he seems to be average.