Denver Post Article on Scott Parker (and his thoughts on Bob Hartley)

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

My take-away from this article is a little different than yours.

Oh I agree with the sentiment of others here, don't get me wrong, I just feel part of the reason Hartley is so authoritarian instead of authoritative is because players don't respond with respect to a coach who hasn't played the game himself. It's a catch 22, if he didn't bully he would get no response, but would probably be a better coach, but if he is authoritarian players will end up tuning him out or get stunted in their development. It's a shame that you have to have played for 500+ games to get any respect in this league.

[clancy]

Not the first time the "Hershey" comments have come out. After a rookie made a mistake, it was rumoured that he stood behind him, on the bench, and said, loud enough for those around to hear" Do you smell chocolate"?

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

try controlling 20 multi millionaires by spreading sunshine and rainbows.

Try controlling them with anger and bullying.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Buck Murdock

try controlling 20 multi millionaires by spreading sunshine and rainbows.

So you're saing that all successful coaches have the same style as Hartley? Or maybe you're saying that the way he's doing it reflects the teams record and he needs to make a change. Not sure which one...

[clancy]

Likely harder for a coach that hasn't played in the NHL to get respect of the players, but some pretty darn successful coaches have made it work( Scotty Bowman, Mike Keenan, Ken Hitchcock, Mike Babcock come to mind)

[Azhouse]

I think Hartley needs Mcgrattan to lay a beating on this loose cannon.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

This story isn't surprising as there's a reason Hartley was exiled from the NHL. You can tell by some of his comments about Sven that he's more bully than teacher. I've been saying since last year that he's a terrible coach for a rebuild as he's not a teacher and his teams don't play defense. Hopefully Burke can rectify the situation before Bob is allowed to do permanent damage.

Except Burke comes across as having a similar "bully" mentality. I suspect he loves Hartley's style. However, I also suspect Hartley has changed a little since his early days as an NHL coach.

[Poe969]

Burke doesn't seem like Bully, more hard nosed. He seems like a bully yto other GM's and I'm fine with that...

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by clancy

Likely harder for a coach that hasn't played in the NHL to get respect of the players, but some pretty darn successful coaches have made it work( Scotty Bowman, Mike Keenan, Ken Hitchcock, Mike Babcock come to mind)

I don't that Parker was saying that he didn't respect Hartley because he only played Jr B, but that he didn't respect him because Hartley didn't seem to understand certain things - like expecting him to play with a Broken foot.

I think a lot of people have known this about Hartley for a while. All the more reason he should be gone.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by strombad

I don't think anyone should be condemning Hartley based off the comments of one player. Hartley is an old-school coach, that's no secret, but he's also likely changed from a decade and some ago. This is fairly similar to when we had Mike Keenan as a coach.

But, if you ARE willing to do that, I assume you're all pro-fighting now? As the article pretty clearly states that Parker (as well as Scotty Bowman) supports fighting, and if you're going to take his one opinion on the merits of Hartley, you'd best be willing to take his one opinion on the merits of fighting.

That's a stupid assumption. Just because I agree with one of his opinions doesn't mean I agree with all of his opinions.

[BigFlameDog]

Sounds like he should have filed a hurt feelings report.....that would have got him a roster spot.

I bet coaches like Roy, Sutter, Julien, Fonzie etc,etc. just give out hugs, cotton candy and balloons when they are having player meetings.

I am not a fan of Hartley at all...the only news here is that a player said this stuff to a reporter.

[FakenHaken]

Maybe Hartley should be let go of his duties, or maybe Burke will let him go I have no idea behind the scenes what goes on. However, to let him go based upon stories that may or may not be 100% true is not smart either. I know for certain, there are many bad decisions I made when I look back on them. It is after all how we all grow by learning from our mistakes. To say Hartley is a bully today, I'm not sure I have enough evidence to know for certain. Certainly not going to use what happened 10 years ago influence my decision today if I'm Brian Burke. Burke, and Feaster if they make a decision to keep or let Hartley go will most certainly be based upon is he the right coach today for this team. I'm much happier having Burke around to challenge the team to answer this very difficult question.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by strombad

I don't think anyone should be condemning Hartley based off the comments of one player. Hartley is an old-school coach, that's no secret, but he's also likely changed from a decade and some ago. This is fairly similar to when we had Mike Keenan as a coach.

But, if you ARE willing to do that, I assume you're all pro-fighting now? As the article pretty clearly states that Parker (as well as Scotty Bowman) supports fighting, and if you're going to take his one opinion on the merits of Hartley, you'd best be willing to take his one opinion on the merits of fighting.

Come on man. Hartley already referred to Sven as a boy in a quote. He hasn't changed at all as he still bullies players and he still loves his goons.

[troutman]

Hartley helped Tanguay
http://www.calgarysun.com/2012/05/31...helped-tanguay

“At the time, he was hard on me and now I’m later in my career, I understand what he was trying to do,” Tanguay said about his new head coach with the Calgary Flames.

“I’m appreciative. He gave me that chance out of junior. To be an NHL player, there is a lot of work that needs to be put in. He’s put many hours in to help me be an NHL player.”

So years after they parted, Tanguay would be struggling and he picked up the phone and asked Hartley for advice.

[UKflames]

Whilst I am no Hartley fan, I find it funny how some can call Hartley a dinosaur coach but consider Burke a saviour, like he isn't also a dinosaur from the old school, which he clearly is.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Steve Bozek

Except Burke comes across as having a similar "bully" mentality. I suspect he loves Hartley's style. However, I also suspect Hartley has changed a little since his early days as an NHL coach.

I'm not sure you really "get" Burke

His anti-hazing stance shows he's anything but bully.

[Badgers Nose]

I think this claim needs to be address by the Flames. This is freaking scary if true, that our rebuild hinges on this old school mentality.

Isn't Hartley a player's coach? WTF?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by fotze

I've talked to enforcer types who never even made near the NHL. There are a lot of them. They will tell you that it was a certain coach that decided your fate. One day you loved hockey and worked on your game like everyone else, then you the coach tells you are a fighter and you can't do anything about it. I think these dinosaurs will soon die off. I don't think I mind the fighting in the NHL as much as the fighters.

I think of instead of banning fighting, Hockey Canada should tell all minor league players that if they can record a coach or document a coach saying that you must fight this guy or any of that crap, that the coach will be immediately fired and can never coach again, permanently banned.

They have all these ridiculous programs to stop the odd rotten parent but nothing in place to stop bully meathead coaches that can ruin careers or even lives.

It's always somebody else, eh? These guys were destined to be the next coming of Lemieux but some coach somewhere ruined them by making them enforcers.

While I don't doubt that this can happen once in a while, I would guess that there is not a single undeniable impact NHL player who's career was ruined by a coach saying 'you're a fighter now'.

Seems like sour grapes to me.

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I think this claim needs to be address by the Flames. This is freaking scary if true, that our rebuild hinges on this old school mentality.

Isn't Hartley a player's coach? WTF?

Calm down.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

That's a stupid assumption. Just because I agree with one of his opinions doesn't mean I agree with all of his opinions.

No, you're taking one of his opinions as the whole story on the make of a man, which is asinine. I assumed you would then have no problem taking his his opinion on fighting as the whole story about fighting. Because why not right?

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Come on man. Hartley already referred to Sven as a boy in a quote. He hasn't changed at all as he still bullies players and he still loves his goons.

As troutman posted, Tanguay seems to like Hartley. Who are we more concerned about here? Parker(Grats)? Or Tanguay(Sven)?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Listen to stories of rants by Darryl Sutter. He wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. Bowman wouldn't even talk to his players at times. Let his assistant coaches take care of that.

So Hartley may threaten people who don't want to put in work with demotion or benching? Big deal.

Agreed with the poster suggesting filing a hurt feelings report.