Can We Safely Declare This As Feaster's Team Now?

[CliffFletcher]

It takes more than a couple years to replenish the under-28 talent of a team that had virtually none. Yes, it's Feaster's team. But the talent/age profile he inherited will take another 3-5 years to turn around.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

Matt Stajan is the only Flame who wasn't acquired or signed by Feaster.

Gio's current contract was one of the last major things Darryl did before he got fired.

[saillias]

IIRC it was Feaster who handled Gio's contract anyway - he was assistant GM and contracts were his thing

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

This is Burke and Feaster's team. Why don't some of you get it that they work as a team. This isn't the old way of doing things where the GM just gets full control to run with it. That got us in trouble in the past. This is better, two great minds running the show together. Two is better than one in this case IMO.

I agree with some of the posts above, this was Feaster/Burke's team once the big names got moved last year.

And Feaster has mentioned many times that he pretty much runs everything like a council. They discuss things. He surrounded himself with Hockey minds, and takes information from everyone... it's no longer a GM sort of thing building a team. It's a hockey operation...

Like others have mentioned, it was Feaster's team after the big names were moved.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by TjRhythmic

And Feaster has mentioned many times that he pretty much runs everything like a council. They discuss things. He surrounded himself with Hockey minds, and takes information from everyone... it's no longer a GM sort of thing building a team. It's a hockey operation...

Feaster: I will do it! I will rebuild this team!

*long, awkward silence*

Feaster: Though....I do not know the way...

Burke: I will help you bear this burden, Jay Feaster, for as long as it is yours to bear.

[RT14]

Originally Posted by Gaskal

Feaster: I will do it! I will rebuild this team!

*long, awkward silence*

Feaster: Though....I do not know the way...

Burke: I will help you bear this burden, Jay Feaster, for as long as it is yours to bear.

EXACTLY!!! And we all know how well that all worked out so why WOULDN'T you take that approach?!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by moon

When did the organization (or anyone) state this mandate?

Often, when their president spoke.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Often, when their president spoke.

I follow the team very closely and never once heard King say Feaster wants to rebuild but we have told him he can't and instead has to hold on to guys way too long and make bad FA signings trying win with a team that is nowhere near a contender.

Are there quotes out there that shows that Feaster was forced by into a mandate that he didn't believe in? I know not everything that a president of a hockey club says is easy to find but if he said it often it should be out there.

[Vinny01]

Yup he has been GM for nearly 3 years it is clearly his team.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by moon

I follow the team very closely and never once heard King say Feaster wants to rebuild but we have told him he can't and instead has to hold on to guys way too long and make bad FA signings trying win with a team that is nowhere near a contender.

Are there quotes out there that shows that Feaster was forced by into a mandate that he didn't believe in? I know not everything that a president of a hockey club says is easy to find but if he said it often it should be out there.

Lol, yes I guess what you say is true. How exactly do you function in life if you require such precise detail and minutia to operate?

[moon]

You said that King said it often that doesn't really seem like "such precise detail" to me.

Feaster said many times that he didn't have any mandate from ownership. He said many times that he saw the team as a competitive team and then after said that he misjudged the team.

Not sure why it is such precise detail and minutia to ask to see proof that he was lying in those instances especially when as you say King said it often.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by moon

You said that King said it often that doesn't really seem like "such precise detail" to me.

Feaster said many times that he didn't have any mandate from ownership. He said many times that he saw the team as a competitive team and then after said that he misjudged the team.

Not sure why it is such precise detail and minutia to ask to see proof that he was lying in those instances especially when as you say King said it often.

From the King's statements, to all the other actions taken by the team, it has to be clear to anyone who follows the team as closely as you the the Flames organization didn't once drop the win now agenda (and therefore give Feaster the ability to make certain moves) until trade deadline last year. And therefore given the situation this team was in from assets and cap space, Feaster had little options to do much other than what he did. Not saying some of his moves of the more minor variety couldn't have been altered, but big picture, he didn't seem to have much choice to really alter anything significantly.

The point being is if you require some explicit statement from someone that spells out everything the way you suggest, then you are seemingly incapable of drawing reasonable conclusions from multiple pieces of evidence. Nothing in life works that way with the exception of burden of proof in a court room, but regular life requires you to make educated decisions based on less than explicit info. You don't seem to be able to do that (actually, truthfully I think you are, but you simply demand "beyond a shadow of a doubt" arguments to be made by those who have opinions that differ from yours, but that's just silliness you employ so you don't ever have to admit your wrong).

[moon]

I have heard explicit statements from people and they all say the opposite of what you are saying so not sure what is wrong with asking for proof that they are all lying in their comment.

Also I didn't ask for any proof until you said that King said it often. If he said it often as you say then it isn't asking for proof beyond a shadow of a doubt it is asking for you to provide some of these quotes that he said often.

I haven't seen one piece of evidence or comment that suggests that Feaster wasn't 100% onboard with the win now belief or that he once tried to change that or make moves and was told no by ownership/King. Everything that I have seen or heard refutes this thinking and points to Feaster agreeing with them on that being the way to go.

[1stLand]

"And so, as the Era of Feaster begun, all of thou Iggy Fanboys retreated into 20 years banishment, to the nether regions also known as beantown.

It was foretold that Iggy would make his return to the hallowed saddledome, so that Iggy Fanboys could once again make their pilgrammage to the dome and Watch the Iggy miss the net on a powerplay opportunity"

[TurnedTheCorner]

Who screams "You shall not pass!" in this scenario? Let's fast forward to the endgame. If you think you would be fit for the role, take one step forward.

Whoa, not so fast Sven.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Who screams "You shall not pass!" in this scenario?

Berra, racing to the blueline for a heroic pokecheck.


Gets scored on shortly thereafter. Appropriate.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by moon

I haven't seen one piece of evidence or comment that suggests that Feaster wasn't 100% onboard with the win now belief or that he once tried to change that or make moves and was told no by ownership/King

Then you must have missed Feaster's interview with Millions on Sportsnet during a Phoenix game I believe? He talked about fool me once, fool me twice, intellectual honesty, said if the team didn't show more he was going to marshall assets.

What happened? The team lost that game and looked bad. Lost an absolutely stinker against EDM and looked horrible. And yet Feaster didn't make any moves that deadline to sell any players despite many of us believing he would based on those exact statements.

So either Feaster was just hot and bothered that night and said some regrettable things. Or Feaster lost some faith in the team, was willing to make a few rebuilding type moves and the president and ownership convinced him not to or told him he couldn't. But the quotes are exactly the evidence you're arguing were never there.

You're clearly just trying to be difficult yet again. One of the most obtuse posters on this site. Somehow I've removed you from my ignore list because I do agree with the occasional thing you say, but man oh man is it tempting to throw you back on there with the chud you're spewing lately. You just can't seem to exit any arguments gracefully. Seems like your arguing strategy is to frustrate everyone with arguing in circles until they give up and you don't have to acknowledge you might have been wrong at some point in the argument.

[FAN]

I kind of feel bad for Feaster sometimes. He seems like a guy who really cares about being in charge of building a hockey club and he waited so long to get a second chance.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Then you must have missed Feaster's interview with Millions on Sportsnet during a Phoenix game I believe? He talked about fool me once, fool me twice, intellectual honesty, said if the team didn't show more he was going to marshall assets.

What happened? The team lost that game and looked bad. Lost an absolutely stinker against EDM and looked horrible. And yet Feaster didn't make any moves that deadline to sell any players despite many of us believing he would based on those exact statements.

So either Feaster was just hot and bothered that night and said some regrettable things. Or Feaster lost some faith in the team, was willing to make a few rebuilding type moves and the president and ownership convinced him not to or told him he couldn't. But the quotes are exactly the evidence you're arguing were never there.

Perhaps there were no moves that he liked, perhaps as you said at the time he was angry and fired up and changed his mind after thinking about it, perhaps as it seems that he likes to do he was saying what he thought the fans and media would like to hear. That hardly seems like anything close to evidence that Feaster wanted to start the rebuild but was forced by ownership to do something different. Those quotes aren't close to evidence that ownership or King told him anything at all.

You're clearly just trying to be difficult yet again. One of the most obtuse posters on this site. Somehow I've removed you from my ignore list because I do agree with the occasional thing you say, but man oh man is it tempting to throw you back on there with the chud you're spewing lately. You just can't seem to exit any arguments gracefully. Seems like your arguing strategy is to frustrate everyone with arguing in circles until they give up and you don't have to acknowledge you might have been wrong at some point in the argument.

All I am asking is for someone to show any evidence that ownership or management forced Feaster into moves he made. Not sure how that is being difficult. I agree that it appears that King and Ownership wanted to win now and to win with Iginla but there is nothing to indicate that Feaster thought any differently and quotes to indicate that he agreed with it all along.

Not sure how this comes close to arguing in circles at all but your past problems with me likely influence what you read and the poster has more to do with anything than the post.

Feel free to put me on ignore again as there is nothing cooler than the guys who brag about the people they have on ignore. If it is that bad just do it and leave at that no need to bring up more garbage by talking about the ignore list.

[kyuss275]

I'm with Moon on this. I do believe that there was a win mandate from KK and Edwards. I also believe Feaster was right on board with that line of thinking. 3 not so "NHL bright" minds working together if you may. Feaster himself said that he completely misjudged the team he assembled last year.