Stempniak Calls out Team

[saillias]

I think he takes it to the extreme

Like when Jackman was the only guy with rumors around him on the trade deadline day - the Sharks apparently wanted him. That fell through and we re-signed him for 2 years?

How about Sarich, Comeau and Babchuk? He doesn't know when to cut ties

[Poe969]

I think Burke will step in and help us in the right direction this deadline

[Stay Golden]

Gio leadership is sadly missed on this team. Good to see someone call out the team from inside the locker room. Yes they are not an overly talented roster Feaster has put together but at least show up in the 1st period. 5 games and counting where they were invisible in the 1st period.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I honestly don't see the point in retaining any of our UFAs. If the reason is to reach the cap floor, that's easy because there is a HUGE crop of UFA's this coming summer that the Flames can over pay for. If it's for leadership, I don't think he's shown much leadership but again, there are tons of players who are going to be later on in their careers that can provide that in the UFA crop.

You need some kind of continuity on the team, especially from guys you are counting on to be leaders. It takes players a season or two to get settled on a team and feel like they have a stake in the jersey and can speak up. You don't want all your veterans to be short-term mercenaries.

Stempniak has a decent skill set, he's a good leader, he can play different roles. He's the veteran you do keep. I hope the Flames re-sign him, and move Cammalleri and Stajan.

[browna]

Good for him.

If there's anyone who should be pissed off about what happened last night, its him.

Him basically being forced into fight by a guy a lot bigger then him, and to get no response from his teammates to stop it at the time (nevermind the Flames had an extra player on the ice as well) or then after, to send a message to an equivlaent player on Dallas within the next couple shifts, was pathetic.

Funny enough, my buddy and I at the game were recollected, for a number of reasons (Gonchar, the sparse Dome, the blowout) a game in early 2003 when Washintgon beat the Flames (Gonchar had at least 3 points)....and Ken Klee hammered Iginla, getting 5 and a game...but no one on the Flames fought Klee or anyone else that night....and new coach Sutter was furious after that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I honestly don't see the point in retaining any of our UFAs. If the reason is to reach the cap floor, that's easy because there is a HUGE crop of UFA's this coming summer that the Flames can over pay for. If it's for leadership, I don't think he's shown much leadership but again, there are tons of players who are going to be later on in their careers that can provide that in the UFA crop.

None of our potential UFA's provide anything that can't be replaced in the summer. We aren't good with these guys, trade them and if they are that important to the team they can be re-signed in the off season

I actually think Stempniak should be kept. You're right, hes not a ton better than some options in terms of talent or leadership, but I think hes the perfect type of steadying influence bit-part player that a rebuilding team needs.

[Poe969]

I agree that we need some vets on the team. Gio is going to be the leader, Wideman is a decent guy to have around, Hudler is someone I really want this team to keep for a long time, Smid is another guy that I think could be a mainstay on this team. In free agency, they can target some players like Derek Roy, Ott, or any other guys that are available that they want to keep around for a few years. I know the UFA list will probably be cut in half but there will be a lot of players looking for work and we can over pay to get anyone who's willing to come here.

Bottom line is that Stempniak is replaceable and we have a chance to cash in on him being here now.

[Buff]

I entered this thread worried that I was going to read about unprofessional comments from Stempniak. Instead I am pleased with the leadership that Mr. Lee Stempniak displayed.

I echo the sentiments of posters wanting the Flames to keep him past this year. The question is, does Lee Stempniak want to be a continued part of the rebuild or does he want to try his luck on a team that has a better chance of making some noise in the playoffs? Can't blame him if he leaves after this year but I sure would like to see him around. He is a veteran that will be helpful to this young team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Buff

I entered this thread worried that I was going to read about unprofessional comments from Stempniak. Instead I am pleased with the leadership that Mr. Lee Stempniak displayed.

I echo the sentiments of posters wanting the Flames to keep him past this year. The question is, does Lee Stempniak want to be a continued part of the rebuild or does he want to try his luck on a team that has a better chance of making some noise in the playoffs? Can't blame him if he leaves after this year but I sure would like to see him around. He is a veteran that will be helpful to this young team.

I don't think he gets much of a choice.

He had 1 goal and 1 assist in 8 games (-3) down the stretch in 2011-12 when the Flames had to go 500 to make the playoffs.

Stempniak won't be part of the Flames or any other teams playoff strategy.

I was shocked the Flames gave him a 2 year deal after that. It was basically Feaster panicking on trying to sneak into the playoffs.


He calls the team out after he was the team's worst forward with a -3. Kinda of rich.

Imagine the up roar we would have if the -4 Butler would have stood up after the game and said the team just has to play better.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I don't think he gets much of a choice.

He had 1 goal and 1 assist in 8 games (-3) down the stretch in 2011-12 when the Flames had to go 500 to make the playoffs.

Stempniak won't be part of the Flames or any other teams playoff strategy.

I was shocked the Flames gave him a 2 year deal after that. It was basically Feaster panicking on trying to sneak into the playoffs.


He calls the team out after he was the team's worst forward with a -3. Kinda of rich.

Imagine the up roar we would have if the -4 Butler would have stood up after the game and said the team just has to play better.

2nd game back after rushing back from a broken foot to help a team that desperately needs a veteran presence AND in a game where two likely Olympians put on a clinic, I could give a damn about his +/-.

If we don't want to sit through Edmonton-esque futility, the team needs to be held accountable at all times, from both outside and within.

[Poe969]

THe whole accountability thing is great and all but the team is pretty bad. Who is he calling out exactly? They need to play better, well ya but they're playing as well as they can, they just aren't tallented. The team is small and can't stand up physically to skilled teams and they're not skilled enough to keep up with other skilled teams. Anyone can call out the team but if you're going to do it, you should lead by example and brushing his -3 under the carpet can't be done here. It's not like MacDonald calling out the team but what did Stempniak really do that was better than anyone else?

[Lanny_McDonald]

I've said this at the start of the season, resign Stempniak and send the rest of the UFAs out on the best deal you can find, and that includes a 4th rounder for junk like Jackman, Mr. Feaster!

I'd be very happy too see Giordano as the leader on the blueline and Stempniak as the leader up front. Both are character guys and play hard. Just the example you want the young guys coming in to see.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by New Era

I've said this at the start of the season, resign Stempniak and send the rest of the UFAs out on the best deal you can find, and that includes a 4th rounder for junk like Jackman, Mr. Feaster!

I'd be very happy too see Giordano as the leader on the blueline and Stempniak as the leader up front. Both are character guys and play hard. Just the example you want the young guys coming in to see.

How does Stempniak play hard and lead? The first sign of leadership is compalining about team effort after he is a -3.

That was his first fight in a couple of years. He averages 1 hit per game and doesn't block shots. He is not the guy that you put out at the end of a close game either to score a goal or prevent one.

Stajan and Backlund are ahead of him on the PK. He gets over 2 minutes a game on the PP and has delivered exactly one assist.

He is a very streaky scorer whose good streaks are not as good as Glencross or Bourque and bad streaks are legendary.

He is at the very best one of worst 2nd line RW in the league and does not make the top-6 on anything but a very weak team.


Next year with Monahan Baertschi and Hudler becoming a clear #1 line.

Glencross and David Jones with a yet as unnamed centre (Colbourne/Backlund/Jankowski/Knight) being the 2nd line where does Stempniak fit in?


There are the 4 guys on the current roster with less than 100 NHL games... and 2 with Brodie at 123 and Backlund at 188. After this season Monahan will be the only guy with less than 100 games.

I expect 3-4 more guys with less than 80 games will be on next years team..... a #5 D man Sieloff-Ramage-Wotherspoon or Breen and 2 or maybe 3 forwards - Rienhart or Knight or and a scorer Gaudreau , Granlund or jankowski. One of the new forwards gets treated like Monahan/Colbourne the others like Baertschi.... sitting a few


If somebody is signed as a UFA I would much rather have Cammalleri for 3 more years at 4M rather than Stempniak at 2.

[kyuss275]

^^^^^

Won't disagree with what you are saying about Stempniak. I could take him or leave him. I do think you are way off on Cammi at $4m for 3 years. If that is all it would take the flames would have re-signed him already. He is going to be looking for at least $5 million plus term ( 4-5 years)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

^^^^^

Won't disagree with what you are saying about Stempniak. I could take him or leave him. I do think you are way off on Cammi at $4m for 3 years. If that is all it would take the flames would have re-signed him already. He is going to be looking for at least $5 million plus term ( 4-5 years)

Any veteran on next year's team needs to be good.... at least as good or better than David Jones, Hudler, Glencross, Gio, Smid, Wideman. Anyone else is just a Place holder... Like Stajan and Stempniak, Galliardi, OBrien, Smith and Butler are this year.

[browna]

May as well call them out again for getting bullied into fighting for a second game with zero retribution towards that ass Ference or anyone else.

How anyone can look him in the eye as he has had to fight two games in a row, I don't know.

And Hartley should be at the front of that lineup, not giving any indication to have the guys like McGrattan or schlubs like Bouma send a message right back that you don't do that in our rink to our skilled guys.

Flat out weak and embarrassing for a 2nd night in a row.

Complete rubbish and that dressing room owes Stempniak an apology.

[Bertuzzied]

This thread title is wayyyyyy more appropriate after tonite's game!

[dino7c]

Pretty sure Stempniak doesn't want anyone to take a penalty...too bad the Flames weren't up by 5 like they should have been

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pretty sure Stempniak doesn't want anyone to take a penalty...too bad the Flames weren't up by 5 like they should have been

I'm sure he'd appreciate someone standing up for him. At least a face wash, come on.

[browna]

Originally Posted by dino7c

pretty sure Mcgrattan/Bouma doesn't want to take a retalitory penalty, or they'll suffer the Blair Jones treatment, buried in the minors by Hartley...too bad the Flames weren't up by 5 like they should have been

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