Hartley very impressed with Joe Colborne

[Vedder]

I'm not sure why that quote would be directed at Backlund. Backlund was the fittest Flame at camp and has brought a pretty consistent effort regardless of what line he has played on. Doesn't really scream entitlement to me.

Hartley himself after the Toronto game emphasized how big of a fan he is of Backlund and how his reduced ice time was more about offensive output than anything.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Among Flame forwards he is 7th in PP time.

try again.

I don't know... 7th in PP time and zero points?

I think it's a valid question

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by strombad

He's only being praised for effort and determination. This post is regarding the criticism of his point totals which is ignorant, considering he is depended on less for points than both Baertschi and Backlund and yet has comparable totals based on overall TOI.

Shouldn't Baertschi, a player who most here have penciled in as our 1st line offensive winger, be held to a high point expectation than Colborne, a 3rd line center?

Pretty basic logic.

Pretty basic logic... except for the PP time.

People are quick to excuse his point totals because he's a 3rd line C, which is fine.

Except that doesn't explain why he is getting so much PP time. Especially when the PP is zero for 30 and has been the difference in the last two games.

The questions are valid.

Note: I like Colborne - he was a steal for a 4th round pick and he adds size and depth to our C core.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't know... 7th in PP time and zero points?

I think it's a valid question

He might not be getting any points, but he is the only player that will plant himself in front of the net and screen the goalie.

Also aren't the flames like 0-30 on the PP? Exactly who is getting points?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't know... 7th in PP time and zero points?

I think it's a valid question

The Flames have scored what 7 or 8 PPGs this year?

I think it says a lot more about our PP than Colborne in particular.

And so much PP time?

He is averaging 5 seconds a game more than Backlund and 12 seconds more than Baertschi. He isn't exactly anchoring the top PP unit and spending the full two minutes out there.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He might not be getting any points, but he is the only player that will plant himself in front of the net and screen the goalie.

Also aren't the flames like 0-30 on the PP? Exactly who is getting points?

So maybe change it up?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

The Flames have scored what 7 or 8 PPGs this year?

I think it says a lot more about our PP than Colborne in particular.

And so much PP time?

He is averaging 5 seconds a game more than Backlund and 12 seconds more than Baertschi. He isn't exactly anchoring the top PP unit and spending the full two minutes out there.

The PP was actually running top 10 in the league for a while.

It's the current version that isn't producing.

Anyway, it's not that big of a deal, just interesting considering Hartley wants to keep upping his ice-time

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Pretty basic logic... except for the PP time.

People are quick to excuse his point totals because he's a 3rd line C, which is fine.

Except that doesn't explain why he is getting so much PP time. Especially when the PP is zero for 30 and has been the difference in the last two games.

The questions are valid.

Note: I like Colborne - he was a steal for a 4th round pick and he adds size and depth to our C core.

To be fair, he's sitting at 23 minutes and no points, that sucks, but it may be more a product of a really awful PP.

David Jones has 38 minutes and zero points.

Kris Russell has 55 minutes (more than twice Colborne) and has put up 1 point.

It's just all bad.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Bolded = a not so subtle message to Baertschi and Backlund I would say.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/11/09...ot-with-flames

Or Calgary Sun writer Wes Gilbertson was doing a piece on Joe Colborne and asked Hartley direct questions about him and Hartley answered honestly.

Doesn't come across as a message, subtle or not, to other players. It comes across as a coach being asked about a specific player and the coach answering those questions.

[Wastedyouth]

Colborne isn't terrible, but he also isn't very good. If this is some kind of subtle dig at Backlund and Baertschi then Hartley is a clown and I can't wait to see him gone.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Or Calgary Sun writer Wes Gilbertson was doing a piece on Joe Colborne and asked Hartley direct questions about him and Hartley answered honestly.

Doesn't come across as a message, subtle or not, to other players. It comes across as a coach being asked about a specific player and the coach answering those questions.

If that's how you see it...fine.

I just think that when he thows in the word "entitled" when it clearly isnt necessary, it says that others maybe think they are. Not exactly a big leap to connect those dots IMO. Its a message IMO, and a clear one.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by nik-

This post conveniently ignores the flip side. One player is being praised and given ample opportunity, while the other two are being crapped on and benched for the exact same results.

Actually, the only thing you can pull out of those comments is that ice time for these young players is likely not being handed out based on results. But rather on willingness to learn, and earn every single second you get on the ice. The coach says nothing about results, and the stats posted in here prove the coach is likely not rewarding or benching his youngsters based on the stat sheet.

[killer_carlson]

I agree with Tranny. The word "entitled" is an emotionally charged word and carries substantial meaning. It isn't one that is thrown around lightly by coaches in sporting teams.

I think it sends a message.

[Delthefunky]

He's played 30 NHL games, and I think he's looked better and better. Maybe in time he will be more then a 3rd line centre. At least he's a big guy, and I think he does show bit of skill.

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Bolded = a not so subtle message to Baertschi and Backlund I would say.

http://www.calgarysun.com/2013/11/09...ot-with-flames

[TurnedTheCorner]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Or Calgary Sun writer Wes Gilbertson was doing a piece on Joe Colborne and asked Hartley direct questions about him and Hartley answered honestly.

Doesn't come across as a message, subtle or not, to other players. It comes across as a coach being asked about a specific player and the coach answering those questions.

No way man. If Gilbertson wanted to know about Colborne, he would have asked about Backlund or Berra. Duh.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I agree with Tranny. The word "entitled" is an emotionally charged word and carries substantial meaning. It isn't one that is thrown around lightly by coaches in sporting teams.

I think it sends a message.

This whole year has been about making comments like this and IMHO it's in response to the past history of this team. He's changing the culture and has tried to discuss at every chance. In one of the pre game shows a while back a player (I think it was Gio) talked about how Hartley came in at the beginning of the year and told the team that all the thrones had been washed away with the flood. That's pretty strong and I think he'll reinforce that kind of message all year.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Honestly, who cares? He was acquired for a fourth round pick, and the Flames have publicly claimed that they project him on the third line. I would say this trade has already proved to be a success.

I care. I'd understand if he was racking up points and playing extremely well but he's playing average and not racking up points. If that makes Hartley "real impressed" with Colborne then it's no wonder he's coached a bottom 5 defensive team 2 years running.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Among Flame forwards he is 7th in PP time.

try again.

7th in pp time is pretty good but 0 points to show for it doesn't scream real impressive to me.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by moon

Crapped on seems a little dramatic.

Wasn't Backlund benched once and he was given more minutes when he play improved.

Baertschi is still very young and even has been called out for some less than stellar play by many on here so it isn't like he is being benched after showing he is a solid NHL guy.

I am not sure why people are constantly shocked that Colborne is being rewarded for doing exactly what has been asked of him and Backlund/Baertschi are being sat/reduced minutes because they are not doing what is asked of them. And of course these are different standards for each guy as they are different types of players with different types of expectations.

They're asking Colborne to be useless on the pp, not score and play like a 130 pound 5'5 player?

Wasn't Backlund benched for not contributing offensively? Colborne doesn't contribute much on both ends of the ice but he has gotten better in the defensive end since the start of the year where he was awful.