[News] Flames scratch Sven...again

[codynw]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Sven Scratchapov

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Issue is we have too many top 9 players.

Colborne, Backlund, Baerstchi, and Monahan are battling for three top 9 spots effectively.

As of right now Colborne and Monahan are playing the best so they have been staying in the lineup, while Baertschi and Backlund are left to battle it out for that last spot.

Yes we do have too many top 9 players, but I believe Feaster did that on purpose. Sven is a rookie and at this point needs to prove that he deserves a top 9 spot, and that means outplaying older players and giving Feaster a reason to make a permanent spot for him on the roster. Unfortunately for us he hasn't risen to the occasion yet this season.

You see what happens when you guarantee roster spots to your rookies just by looking north 300km. Starting with Gagner their young players have been given no accountability for their play, and you get players already feeling entitled after 2 or 3 years in the league. Eakins is finally changing that with the way he's been treating Yakupov, he knows he's not ready for prime time yet, and making him prove he deserves a spot in the lineup game to game.

[jonesy]

did Jackman ever receive any negative press or admonishments from the team for his stupid useless unnprovoked butt end?
That is the kind of thing I can see a coach getting really mad about.
Stupid play, selfish play, yet no repurcussion?

[Tinordi]

Good.

He hasn't been playing well at all.

[Poe969]

Maybe we should promote him to a line with McGrattan and Jackman

[saillias]

All I've heard is that Hartley likes Jackman's intensity.

[JobHopper]

As skilled as Sven Baertschi is, he needs to be stronger on the puck in the offensive zone and shoot the puck more. A lot of plays seem to end with him be checked and losing the puck.

[Nsd1]

I didn't like when Sven was scratched the first time but this time it makes more sense. He didn't play very well last game looks like he might even be a little banged up.

Scratching younger guys shouldn't be considered a bad thing. It lets them know that the coaching staff isn't happy with their play and that they still need to grow their game. It also shows the team what the players character is like. If the player is willing to take it as a learning opportunity rather than a demotion and work on their game it's only going to help. So far both Sven and backlund have said and done the right things after being scratched.

The one thing I didn't like was when Hartley put Jackman in over Bouma. Bouma is a better player in every way than Jackman and can play in more situations than Jackman can.

Lastly, one thing Edmonton didn't due until recently was scratch their young struggling players. So if you're doing something the opposite if the oilers, it means you're doing something the right way which is how you avoid a decade+ long rebuild.

[Arsenal14]

I guess Sven needs to go throw a few dirty hits, take some stupid penalties and buttend somebody to prove his intensity. Works for Jackman.

[FBI]

"guys like Jackman, McGrattan and Bouma, they're bringing something every day to the table."

WTF?

What is Hartley's love-in with Jackman? Sven brings 100 times more to the table than Jackman.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by jonesy

did Jackman ever receive any negative press or admonishments from the team for his stupid useless unnprovoked butt end?
That is the kind of thing I can see a coach getting really mad about.
Stupid play, selfish play, yet no repurcussion?

Hartley has a reputation of loving his hitmen and dirty players. The only real surprise is that he hasn't had a dedicated one in Calgary like Sutton in Atlanta or Lemeuix in Colorado.

[FlameZilla]

It's bad when we're looking to the Oilers for ideas of how to motivate our young players!

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by Nsd1

I didn't like when Sven was scratched the first time but this time it makes more sense. He didn't play very well last game looks like he might even be a little banged up.

Scratching younger guys shouldn't be considered a bad thing. It lets them know that the coaching staff isn't happy with their play and that they still need to grow their game. It also shows the team what the players character is like. If the player is willing to take it as a learning opportunity rather than a demotion and work on their game it's only going to help. So far both Sven and backlund have said and done the right things after being scratched.

The one thing I didn't like was when Hartley put Jackman in over Bouma. Bouma is a better player in every way than Jackman and can play in more situations than Jackman can.

Lastly, one thing Edmonton didn't due until recently was scratch their young struggling players. So if you're doing something the opposite if the oilers, it means you're doing something the right way which is how you avoid a decade+ long rebuild.

Yup, agree with a lot of this.

Let's say because of this occasional benching, Sven pouts, takes the high road and asks to be traded. Would the Flames really want a guy with this attitude?

The Flames see potential in him and he's young, so while he sits a game or two to watch the games and other guys who are playing well in all 3-zones, the Flames also get a chance to evaluate his character and willingness to take criticism in a positive way.

I feel like with the prospects, the Flames will be quick to 'teach' but patient when it comes to cutting the cord. With veterans, it'll be the opposite - give them the opportunity to preserve their job (i.e. they've earned it, time served) but fairly quick to cut the cord and not too keen to 'teach' when it's clear it's not working (see MacDonald).

[GreenLantern]

Man they'd be lucky to get anything for him now, damaged goods, over rated.. won't ever amount to anything.. or sorry I thought this was the Yakupov thread.. this situation is totally diff--- hrmm.

[Table 5]

Why is this team always trying to turn skilled guys into lumberjacks on skates? The guy is a small European guy with creativity...and that will never change. If the goal is to turn him into a 3rd line energy guy who runs everyone over, you might as well sit him permanently.

[JJsChaos]

This has nothing to do with Jackman and everything to do with Sven. Baerstchi has played below average. I like the kid and want to see him step up and play well. That being said, he's not playing well, he's not stepping up and he shouldn't be rewarded for that.

This kid needs to toughen up a bit. I don't like the way he responds when he faces adversity.

[HUSKER4FLAMES]

At the same time, guys like Jackman, McGrattan and Bouma, they're bringing something every day to the table.

Hartley's not even sure but its "something"

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Why is this team always trying to turn skilled guys into lumberjacks on skates? The guy is a small European guy with creativity...and that will never change. If the goal is to turn him into a 3rd line energy guy who runs everyone over, you might as well sit him permanently.

Who's trying to make him a lumberjack on skates? Playing defense and being responsible in all 200' doesn't have to be exclusive to bigger players, N.A. skaters or those who lack creativity.

Sven played terribly. He can't keep possession, he was fighting the puck all night and physically, he's playing like he's 15. The Hawks took the puck from him at will.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

This has nothing to do with Jackman and everything to do with Sven. Baerstchi has played below average. I like the kid and want to see him step up and play well. That being said, he's not playing well, he's not stepping up and he shouldn't be rewarded for that.

This kid needs to toughen up a bit. I don't like the way he responds when he faces adversity.

Wtf? When has he "not responded well to adversity"?

[RT14]

Originally Posted by Table 5

The guy is a small European guy with creativity...

You only have to look as far as his opposite wing to see another "small European guy with creativity" doing all the right things. If Sven were playing like Hudler, we wouldn't be having this conversation.