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Yeah Google Maps confirmed that for me after I made the thread, I don't know the area. CBC/Global are saying Mission or Beltline, and its neither... you'd think they'd know better.
The media is notoriously bad for this. It's understandable in the first moments of the event when details from witnesses, etc. are mixed, but it's not just that. Once the location is nailed down, they still routinely mix up communities and areas or just plain use incorrect names. "Victoria Park" is not a community, 19th Avenue and 5th Street SW isn't in Beltline or Bankview, Inglewood and Ramsay are two different places, etc.
During the flood, it was particularly bad from media and even some of the communications from Emergency Services and other people from the City. Beltline, Mission and other affected areas were routinely grouped into vague amorphous and incorrect areas such as "parts of downtown," (sorry flameswin, you're wrong on this one) or the non-existent "Victoria Park community." Although not as bad, Sunnyside was mis-communicated as "the Kensington area" (Kensington is not actually a community in Calgary - it's a BRZ) or Hillhurst (even though there was actually very little flooding in the Hillhurst side of the community).
In the case of most media stories such as this, it's not as serious a mistake to make, although in aggregate it shows a laziness and it's annoying. In situations such as the flood and considering many people from the City got it wrong too, it's actually a little more serious as a lot of people were confused as to how flooding and evacuations affected their area. In that case it approaches irresponsible.
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Things may have changed but at one time Victoria Park had it's own community association.With the expansion of the Stampede there isn't much left of it.
^Victoria Park (as that specific name) was actually only ever two things - the historic name of Stampede Park and (as it still exists today) a Business Revitalization Zone. Well, technically it is also "wayfinding area" now as well, but that's only ever really used in a very narrow context - the new wayfinding signage in the Centre City. The former community and areas have been known as various other things involving the name "Victoria," only sometimes "Victoria Park." Names you'll see through history include Victoria, East Victoria and Victoria Crossing.
Beltline is the name of the community and has been since 2003 when the former communities of Connaught and Victoria amalgamated.
One of the main reasons that the "Victoria Park" name persists and people mistake it for the name of the community is because there's signage with that name in the BRZ area. Same thing happens with "Kensington" and "Marda Loop." Both are BRZs, not communities. That and the name of the LRT station, but we're working on getting that fixed.
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Beltline is the name of the community and has been since 2003 when the former communities of Connaught and Victoria amalgamated.
Okay maybe it was just named Victoria than but when I came to Calgary in the 70s, it was known as Vic Park and was known as such by every cab company in town.
Yeah I agree there is no such area as Kensington, that seems to be a recently made up name, probably from transplanted Torontonians.
Yeah I agree there is no such area as Kensington, that seems to be a recently made up name, probably from transplanted Torontonians.
The shopping district has long been known as "Kensington" because it's centred on Kensington Rd (which as far as I know has been the street's name for many, many decades).
The shopping district has long been known as "Kensington" because it's centred on Kensington Rd (which as far as I know has been the street's name for many, many decades).
I know what and where the so called Kensington area is. That name for the area is maybe 20 years old and the real name for the area is Sunnyside or Hillhurst.
I know what and where the so called Kensington area is. That name for the area is maybe 20 years old and the real name for the area is Sunnyside or Hillhurst.
Area formed business association called "Kensington Business Association" in 1977 (first of its kind in Alberta). Then incorporated as a BRZ based on the model they helped create in 1985 under the Municipal Government Act'a new BRZ legislation. Yes community districts (which are distinct from BRZs) are certainly Hiihurst and Sunnyside. Point Frinkprof was making that area should be referred to by official community district name (especially in emergency) in most cases, unless what's being talked about relates specically with the BRZ itself.
i.e. - "Kensington is having a street festival this weekend" (correct) vs "evacuate Kensington neighbouhood now" (incorrect).
I was being a total community name Nazi during the flood - because the use of names especially in and around the "downtown" was actually causing public confusion with regard to evacuation and re-entry. Saying "community of Victoria Park and parts of Beltline" for instance was not helpful - first of all from the fact that they are not two different places.
All I know is that troutman crowned himself the King of Kensington because of his love of the iconic television show. I guess he does bear a resemblance to the star of the show it you squint...or maybe its the swagger.
While I agree accuracy is important in emergency situations, personally I think the Beltline is a little too big of an area if you want to get specific. Right now it covers most of the inner-city south of the tracks...that's a pretty big catch-all. I feel like my part of the Beltline is quite different than the one around the Saddledome. The use of "Victoria Park" is so ingrained in this city, that I don't think you'd get that much confusion....in fact, I think you'd get more confusion by calling that area something else. And changing people's minds is going to take a long time... Clinton in NY has been named that for years...yet, people will still call it what it is to them, Hells Kitchen.
And on a separate note, I don't actually mind these more colloquial names for neighborhoods..they give it more of a local touch. Places like Victoria Park or Kensington at least came to use in a somewhat organic fashion. What I can't stand is when some try-hard wants to force a hipster-doofus name on an area....like who ever came up with that moronic SODO. That guy needs to be flogged.
^ I'd say Victoria Park is not nearly as well known to those that haven't been here more than 10 yrs when the community amalgamated (which is a lot).
A lot of very old Calgarians always knew the general south of the tracks area colloquially as "Beltline" as it was the name of the streetcar route that more or less followed the boundaries. When amalgamation happened it was a natural choice.
^Well Beltline actually has 4 different neighbourhoods for this reason, and the full name is "Beltline Communiites of Victoria and Connaught"
A lot of the inner city areas actually have this quality. Hillhurst-Sunnyside share a community association but are two neighbourhoods as well. There's Lower and Upper Mount Royal. Even the area that many might call collectively "downtown" (north of the CPR tracks, south of the river) is actually broken up into smaller areas of West End, Eau Claire, East Village and (proper name) Downtown.
I know what and where the so called Kensington area is. That name for the area is maybe 20 years old and the real name for the area is Sunnyside or Hillhurst.
Older than that. I moved here in 1981 and dated a girl who lived on Kensington Crescent, She called the area "Kensington" back then even know the proper name would have been Hillhurst, even "chicken on the way" said they were in Kensington.
And except for maybe the east side on 10th street anything else that side of 10th was always called Sunnyside..or as most called it back then...the "slums"
I came close to buying a 2 story house on 7th st in 1982 but I thought the 68k was too much!
