2014 Draft Picks

[getbak]

Originally Posted by thymebalm

Michael Cammalleri - 1st round (top 15)

Why would a non-playoff team be giving up their first rounder for Cammalleri?

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by getbak

Why would a non-playoff team be giving up their first rounder for Cammalleri?

Because Oilers

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Cammalleri for a 1st
Stajan for a 2nd

I think we try to re-sign Stempniak.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Cammalleri for a 1st
Stajan for a 2nd

I think we try to re-sign Stempniak.

I don't think we should be limiting the return to picks... I think Cammy garners a 1st rounder, which is a good return. I'd like to see Stajan packaged in a deal for a young potential top 6 RW. I would like to see Glencross dealt but I don't think it'll happen.

Stempniak is proving to be a good leader for the youngsters & I would like to see him re-signed.

We'd be pretty competitive with a line-up

Hudler Backlund Top-6-RW (someone in the Chris Stewart mold)
Baertschi Monahan Stempniak
Galiardi Colborne Jones
Bouma Reinhart McGrattan

[evman150]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

I don't think we should be limiting the return to picks... I think Cammy garners a 1st rounder, which is a good return. I'd like to see Stajan packaged in a deal for a young potential top 6 RW. I would like to see Glencross dealt but I don't think it'll happen.

Stempniak is proving to be a good leader for the youngsters & I would like to see him re-signed.

We'd be pretty competitive with a line-up

Hudler Backlund Top-6-RW (someone in the Chris Stewart mold)
Baertschi Monahan Stempniak
Galiardi Colborne Jones
Bouma Reinhart McGrattan

Especially with Sam in the lineup. Although I'd have him higher than the fourth line.

[ToraToraTora]

Our faceoffs are currently 29th in the league...do we really want to get rid of our 2 veteran centremen so quickly?

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

Our faceoffs are currently 29th in the league...do we really want to get rid of our 2 veteran centremen so quickly?

Stajan winning under 50% of his faceoffs is hardly going to raise us off the bottom of the league in faceoffs. Cammy is better at faceoffs, but he's really a winger...

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ToraToraTora

Our faceoffs are currently 29th in the league...do we really want to get rid of our 2 veteran centremen so quickly?

We don't have 2 veteran centremen. Stajan is the only one.

Stajan isn't going to singlehandedly right our faceoff problem so that isn't a valid reason on it's own to keep him.

[Rerun]

I can't believe the number of people here that think the Flames will get 2014 1st round pick at the trade deadline for Cammalleri.

Have you got fruit loops for brains?

What GM in there right mind would give up a first rounder for a 2 month rental player who probably will walk at then end of the season because he's a UFA? If you were the Flames GM would you do that (assuming the Flames were a playoff contender)?

Also bear in mind that the following players will also be UFA's at the end of this season:

Joe Thornton
Patrick Marleau
Dan Boyle
Marian Gaborik
Thomas Vanek
The Sedin Twins

It ain't gonna happen folks. The best we will probably get is a 2nd rounder.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

^ Other than Vanek, I don't see those otherse moved at the deadline. If Cammy comes back strong, he could get a first (20-30th)

[bzoo02]

A productive Cammy could definitely get us a first. A declining Iggy did, plus a decent prospect. If Cammy can put up say a .75 ppg when he comes back , I could see an eastern team needing some extra offence paying for him.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I can't believe the number of people here that think the Flames will get 2014 1st round pick at the trade deadline for Cammalleri.

Have you got fruit loops for brains?

What GM in there right mind would give up a first rounder for a 2 month rental player who probably will walk at then end of the season because he's a UFA?

You must be new to the Trade Deadline.

Originally Posted by Rerun

If you were the Flames GM would you do that (assuming the Flames were a playoff contender)?

I wouldn't do Lombardi, Prust, and a 1st round pick for Olli Jokinen either. But it happened.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I can't believe the number of people here that think the Flames will get 2014 1st round pick at the trade deadline for Cammalleri.

Have you got fruit loops for brains?

What GM in there right mind would give up a first rounder for a 2 month rental player who probably will walk at then end of the season because he's a UFA? If you were the Flames GM would you do that (assuming the Flames were a playoff contender)?

Also bear in mind that the following players will also be UFA's at the end of this season:

Joe Thornton
Patrick Marleau
Dan Boyle
Marian Gaborik
Thomas Vanek
The Sedin Twins

It ain't gonna happen folks. The best we will probably get is a 2nd rounder.

I don't know if we can get a first for Cammallari but according to your reasoning some GMs may have fruit loops for brains as pending UFAs at the deadline have often more value than players on a contract. In this day of the salary cap, teams don't want to be burdened with long term contracts, they want the contract to be gone after the player has served his purpose.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

You must be new to the Trade Deadline.


I wouldn't do Lombardi, Prust, and a 1st round pick for Olli Jokinen either. But it happened.

At the 2013 trade deadline there were only two first round picks given up. Calgary got both of them. Bouwmeester got a first rounder BUT he wasn't a UFA in 2013 and Iggy got the other one (28th pick from Pittsburgh). Cammalleri is no Iggy and even Iggy barely got a 1st rounder.


I still say you guys are dreaming or are smoking some awesome weed if you figure Cammy is worth a 1st rounder by the time April rolls around.

[Rerun]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I don't know if we can get a first for Cammallari but according to your reasoning some GMs may have fruit loops for brains as pending UFAs at the deadline have often more value than players on a contract. In this day of the salary cap, teams don't want to be burdened with long term contracts, they want the contract to be gone after the player has served his purpose.

GM's will rarely pay a 1st round pick for a 2 month rental.

[Red John]

Originally Posted by Rerun

I still say you guys are dreaming or are smoking some awesome weed if you figure Cammy is worth a 1st rounder by the time April rolls around.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by Rerun

GM's will rarely pay a 1st round pick for a 2 month rental.

On February 28, 2011, Penner was traded from the Edmonton Oilers to the Los Angeles Kings in exchange for Colten Teubert, a first round draft pick in 2011 (Oscar Klefbom), as well as a conditional third round pick in 2012 (Daniil Zharkov).

After 12 seasons in blue and white, the Maple Leafs have traded veteran defenceman Thomas Kaberle to the Boston Bruins in exchange for prospect centre Joe Colborne, the Bruins' first-round pick in 2011 and a conditional second-round draft pick in 2012.

Not a 1st rounder but pretty damn close;
Filip Forsberg traded for Martin Erat and Michael Latta last year

And these are just the last 2 years

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Rerun

At the 2013 trade deadline there were only two first round picks given up. Calgary got both of them. Bouwmeester got a first rounder BUT he wasn't a UFA in 2013 and Iggy got the other one (28th pick from Pittsburgh). Cammalleri is no Iggy and even Iggy barely got a 1st rounder.

I still say you guys are dreaming or are smoking some awesome weed if you figure Cammy is worth a 1st rounder by the time April rolls around.

You missed Jagr and Pominville who also returned 1sts.

And yet history also supports our argument when players like Kyle Quincey, Paul Gaustad, Brendan Witt, Dustin Penner, Olli Jokinen, Brian Campbell, Bill Guerin, Ryan Smyth, Mathieu Schneider, Tomas Kaberle, etc all were traded for 1st rounders. Cammalleri provided he has a bounceback year should be worth as much as many of those players. A broken down Morrow returned a former 1st last year. Tons of example from history to support this, you just cherry picked one year.

In fact Mike Cammalleri has already been traded for a 1st round pick in his career. Sure he had a full year left on his deal but players value sometimes does not diminish as a pending UFA and sometimes can be even higher. BUF got more for Regehr as a pending UFA then we did with term left on Regehr's contract.

But yes, we might be smoking some awesome weed too. Doesn't diminish our argument. If Cammalleri gets back to his 30-40 goal form then he should easily be worth a 1st at the deadline. He'll likely be the best goalscorer available on the market and he has a good history in the playoffs with Montreal. I don't think there's much rose-colored or homerish analysis there, I think NHL history supports Cammalleri being worth that much when he's on his game.

[Anduril]

As mentioned, other than Vanek and Stasny/ROR, there aren't any other guys who are likely to move/receive as much value. Closest would be Hemsky.

Paul freakin' Gastaud got a 1st as well last year when he moved from Buffalo to Nashville. No doubt there will be some degree of interest in Cammy especially considering his ability to produce in the playoffs. Definitely not a stretch to say that a 1st especially since it'll be a late one is out of the question.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Rerun

At the 2013 trade deadline there were only two first round picks given up. Calgary got both of them. Bouwmeester got a first rounder BUT he wasn't a UFA in 2013 and Iggy got the other one (28th pick from Pittsburgh). Cammalleri is no Iggy and even Iggy barely got a 1st rounder.

2012
- Oduya for a 2nd + 3rd
- Gaustad/4th for a 1st
- A. Kostitsyn for a 2nd + 5th

2011
- Penner for Teubert, 1st + 3rd
- Kaberle for Colborne, 1st + conditional 2nd

2010
- Torres for a 2nd
- Belanger for a 2nd
- Sutton for a 2nd
- Grebeshkov for a 2nd
- Wallin for a 2nd
- D. Moore for a 2nd

2009
- D.Moore for a 2nd
- Antropov for a 2nd + conditional
- Comrie/Campoli for McAmmond + 1st

2008
- Campbell for Bernier + 1st