Ryan Lambert article on sending Monahan down

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

"the stats for the whole team are horrifyingly bad and frankly counterproductive to the tanking they're meant to be doing."

Man can't believe someone, trying to pass as a credible columnist, would write that.
Idiot.

I don't understand what he's trying to say. Our stats are counterproductive to tanking? So they're good stats, but horrifyingly bad?

What?

[Vinny01]

This guy is brutal. Why does he even cover the flames all he does is rip them all the time

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

@twolinepass
flames fans proving themselves remarkably dim this morning boy oh boy

Says the guy using "advanced" stats in a small sample size to argue a rookie's ability.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

Not sure if this is worth it's own thread, but didn't think it really belonged in the Sean "Fricken" thread. Basically discusses some of the reasons Flames should send Monahan down.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-pu...3441--nhl.html









Some real gems in there. Also, this is the guy that tweeted that making Giordano captain of the team was "poor asset management".

Boooooooooo.

Puts stock into +/- ? That's just laughable. Probably 4-5 of those 6 goals were scored on critical turnovers by players that happened to be sharing the ice momentarily, but on plays he didn't directly create or influence by his own errors. Also he's even now, so that says enough in itself if you truly put any credibility into it (which you shouldn't).

Clutch points and scoring are continuously coming to him for a reason. It may not be sustainable to that level but he's influencing the game due to IQ, skill and chemistry with linemates. And as long as he's bringing that ability to influence the game at this level, that's a huge asset for us.

Does this dude write for the Oilers? (Unofficially, of course, as his writing is amateur at best). Would make a lot of sense. Fact is, Sean's had a big hand in helping to make this team successful, and he's doing that by his ability to know where to be on the ice to make those big plays and having that finishing ability. You can't teach those kinds of smarts. This sounds like a jealous ##### to me, who just wants to see the Flames flop like they were "supposed" to. What an idiot. He obviously doesn't know that the tanking purposely was never in the Flames' mantra for the rebuild. Instilling a winning culture and mentality is far more meaningful.

Sure, Monahan can improve on his play in the defensive end. He's getting better. But what he's doing at the other end more than makes up for any little blemishes there. Only dudes who aren't getting those kind of results from their favorite team would be getting steamed enough to try and dissect his play enough to pinpoint negatives. Not to mention all the oh-so-subtle jabs at the team sprinkled the whole way through. What a #####.

[Poe969]

so is this guy on CP? He seems like he just wants the attention for saying something contravercial.

[Freeway]

The Flames top-nine depth actually means they CAN effectively shield Monahan. I mean, his line has been arguably the team's most effective, possibly because they've been able to get better match-ups than the other two scoring lines. I can't see that changing too much when Cammalleri, Stajan and Jones come back.

[iggy_oi]

F*** Ryan lambert

[toquester]

Originally Posted by Poe969

so is this guy on CP? He seems like he just wants the attention for saying something contravercial.

Or appear like a genius if Monahan fades, something he is bound to do. You would have to be delusional to expect Monahan to continue scoring this way. That does not mean he belongs in OHL though. Just an easy way for this doofus to say I told you so.

[DropIt]

Corsi..

as of right now the Edmonton Oilers are among the best teams in the league in Corsi while the Maple Leafs are the leagues worst.

Tough to stand behind that advanced set of stats

[edslunch]

Advanced stats are interesting and I'm willing to believe there's something to them. But the advanced stats crowd seems to always ignore the other side of the equation, which is results. Monahan is getting results, regardless of his advanced stats. His shooting percentage may be high but that's going to happen when you put yourself in a position to redirect a pass into a wide open net.

A while back they were touting Backlund as the best Flame based on advanced stats which is great, but he wasn't scoring at all so the great stats resulted in nothing. Maybe they predicted great things to come like we're starting to see - like I said they are not totally meaningless - it just kills me when these guys only focus on the stats and discount the 'counting numbers'. News flash, the counting numbers count.

[albertGQ]

Sending him down would could negatively affect his development and most likely negatively affect Sven's development.

He needs to stay. He's almost as old as you can be for playing right after being drafted.

[strombad]

I'm all for being realistic and keeping expectations in check, but I question this guy's knowledge of hockey at all.
"Counterproductive to the tanking they're meant to be doing".... huh? So we should purposely lose? And we're too good to lose, but we're horribly bad? Anyone who comes from the school of thought that you should be tanking 5 games into the season is no hockey fan.
"realistically 5 or 6 years away from being any good at all".... huh? This is a rebuild, not a rehash of the Oilers failed attempt at a rebuild. To say with certainty that it's going to be 5 years before we become even KIND OF good is ignorant blog trash meant to stir the pot. We could be good in 2, we could be good in 10, but to suggest you know how long a rebuild takes because some teams aren't very good at them? Yeah, makes sense.
What a joke that guy is.

[edslunch]

I thought the point of advanced stats was to take bias and emotion out of the equation and just present the facts. Mr. Lambert wraps his stats in huge helpings of bias and opinion, and to boot he's a lousy writer. I used to go the Flames Nation a lot - I have time for Kent Wilson - but I can't stand reading Lambert's stuff no matter what he's writing about.

[Inglewood Jack]

For those who still want to claim that Lambert is a Flames fan just because he writes for Flames Nation, now is the time to do it. And be sure to post links to the dozens of other positive Calgary related articles he has posted recently.

[mikephoen]

You shouldn't really look at any stats until at least game 20. And even then things have only started to average out.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Poe969

so is this guy on CP? He seems like he just wants the attention for saying something contravercial.

Yeah, it looks to me that he's just trying to create his own shtick by saying crap, to get hits for his column. Not worth reading or getting angry about.

[BurningSteel]

Sorry how many NHL seasons did this guy play???

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Can you please show me where anyone on the Flames or Blues said this, and what the "better trade" options were?
Thanks.

I vaguely remember Feaster mentioning in a post-trade press conference that retaining salary was never an option and there were a lot of rumors about few teams being interested in Bouwmeester due to his salary (Detroit is one that I specifically remember being interested but unwilling to give up much unless we retained salary). Even if I'm misremembering the Feaster quote and there was nothing to the rumors, common sense would indicate that a team that's well under the cap could get a better return for a good but overpriced player when trying to trade him to teams that are against the cap if they were willing to eat some salary.

That's all to say that this team, like all others, considers the financial implications of hockey decisions all the time. Financial implications will be a consideration in determining whether or not to send Monahan down, but I'm confident that they won't be the primary factor.

[djsFlames]

Should put this thread to the shredder then.

We shouldn't give desperate attention whores that can't get enough views otherwise the tools to get what they want.

[handgroen]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_Lambert

maybe he can go back and write for kids incorporated


you gotta ask yourself was there anything the flames could do to make this a-hole keep from blasting them for their start?

best record in the league? chumps
best start in franchise history? fluke
calder candidates? no defence

what's next?
playoff bound? bad draft pick

inspirational start? nothing to cheer for

troll article? whines about response

TROLL IS TROLL