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Old 10-10-2013, 01:00 PM   #21
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Plasmas haven't had burnout issues in 5 years. Recent plasmas last just as long as LCD TVs.
Ah. Mine's from '08, so that prob explains it then. It's got 4 horizontal burnout lines; 3 right at the top, and one going right through the absolute centre, its been like that for a couple years now. Plus its going quite red on the entire far right side of the screen, and I find fixed objects (like the score bar for a sports game) image gets burned into the screen quite regularly. It's been relegated to being only my gaming TV.

But like I said, weirdly I think games still look better on it than on our newer LED (which blows my plasma out of the water for anything non-gaming related).
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:04 PM   #22
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Yeah burn-in and burn-out are no where near the issues they were even 3 years ago today, sucks to hear Panasonic is stopping production.

Plasmas are pretty much the best basement/light-controlled room entertainment TV, unless you buy one with aggressive ABL, then hockey can be annoying.
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Old 10-10-2013, 01:41 PM   #23
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Just slightly behind their time...
The only thing Plasma is behind is in power consumption, and bright room performance.

Plasma, and specifically the Panasonic VT and ZT of this year, are the best consumer pictures for sale period.

After owning a Kuro, you will never go back to the mass junk they sell. I had an XBR (which I thought was the t*ts) until buying a Kuro in 2009 and honestly, for movies, the black level and picture is insane. However, that is the problem, people don't ever see that picture, so they don't miss what they never see. With the advent of MP3, $800 LCD, downloaded movies etc. we have become comfortable with "good enough".

I am buying a 65" VT for sure, since it is the last of the greats for probably the next 5-7 years when OLED comes down to reasonable on price and picture. I was looking at ordering out of the US and shipping to the border.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:00 PM   #24
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I just bought an ST60 a week ago and am very happy with it. One of the highest rated TVs ever on cnet and its under 2 grand for a 60 inch 3D smart tv with excellent picture quality. I suggest people pick one of these up or something similar before they are gone.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:18 PM   #25
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The ST60 is a great model - definitely an affordable set with amazing picture quality.

Unfortunately, the input lag on the set is horrendous, and if you play any sort of games, it pretty much eliminates it from being included in a purchase decision.
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Old 10-10-2013, 02:30 PM   #26
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Same like Pioneer, just went the Panasonic plasma achieves Kuro grade kind of black level, they go out of business.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:01 PM   #27
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Can somebody explain how with the Kuro, that same technology or whatever makes the blacks more black, isn't available on the market today? I know Pioneer stopped making TV's (though they're apparently reconsidering reviving it), but with any technology, especially that which is at least 5 years old, the price gradually comes down once that technology becomes cheaper to produce. Why hasn't it become affordable to be replicated with every set sold today? I don't understand.
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Old 10-10-2013, 08:03 PM   #28
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Well that's unfortunate. Looks like I'll be upgrading to the current Panasonic before its too late.
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Old 10-10-2013, 09:34 PM   #29
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Can somebody explain how with the Kuro, that same technology or whatever makes the blacks more black, isn't available on the market today? I know Pioneer stopped making TV's (though they're apparently reconsidering reviving it), but with any technology, especially that which is at least 5 years old, the price gradually comes down once that technology becomes cheaper to produce. Why hasn't it become affordable to be replicated with every set sold today? I don't understand.
My take is margins are razor thin at the sub $1500 level. So much so that even today that tech is still too expensive to include in low end sets and make any money. Combine that with the non economics of developing the technology, since R & D on plasma at those margins is not worth it.

Basically panasonic bought old tech and only now has reuses that tech at basically the same price. I think heavy R & D would have got us there but it just wasn't worth the investment when a marginal quality screen will sell on price alone.

Really the race to the bottom on price has been realized. I think everyone of the major manufacturers lost money on sets last year. Even Sony gave up on the bottom last year and started to go back to mid to high end only. It just isn't worth having a large piece of a money losing pie anymore.
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From what I understand Panasonic and Sharp? have made a deal with Pioneer to gradually introduce the Kuro technology. This is why the latest Panasonic plasmas are so good.
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From what I understand Panasonic and Sharp? have made a deal with Pioneer to gradually introduce the Kuro technology. This is why the latest Panasonic plasmas are so good.
Ahh yes, the Sharp Elite LCD. Wonder how many dozen of those bad boys sold for $6K? Haven't heard a peep from them since.

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Old 10-13-2013, 03:46 PM   #32
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Too bad they burn out so much quicker like they do, so it was inevitable. And I definitely prefer LED's for TV. I don't know what it is about gaming though, but I swear my 360 games look better on my old, burning out Samsung plasma than our newer LED. The colours just seem so much warmer.
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Plasmas haven't had burnout issues in 5 years. Recent plasmas last just as long as LCD TVs.
What do you mean by "burnout". Same as "burn in"?

I have my eye on a new Panasonic plasma this year, the TCP60ST60, which is a slightly lesser panel but also CNETs "strongest TV recommendation ever". Guess I better get it before I can't...

EDIT: Damnit. Just read the rest of the thread and my post is so redundant. Move along, nothing to see here...
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This is a damn shame. I have a 50" Pioneer Kuro set and nothing comes close to it. It's worked like a dream for 5 years and the black levels are off the charts.

When I look at other types of sets I can't believe people would buy anything else.

I just can't believe they bought Pioneer for the technology and shut this down.
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so this means I should get my panny fixed? or maybe just try to get a new one it's only a 42
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Old 10-13-2013, 06:48 PM   #35
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We've had our 48" Panasonic plasma for about 8 or 9 years now. Still works great, no issues whatsoever, and the picture quality is great.
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Panasonic bought the Pioneer technology years ago, sat on it for the longest time. We use a lot of the professional line (SDI capable) plasmas as they are the closest representation to a CRT you can get for colour correction . My LA counterparts did a big 3 month study on monitors and they came away with the VT line being the best for size and quality. Sony's OLED line is great but starting at $17k for 24" it is not for everyone. OLED's are becoming cheaper to produce but still costly.

It's to bad, I have 5 I want to replace but I was waiting until the new year.

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That said LCD's have closed the gap over the last five years or so I don't feel this is that much of a big deal.
For black levels/dynamic range LCD hasn't even made a dent in the lead plasmas have in this regard. Plus the stated contrast ratios of LCD sets are completely meaningless and quite honestly downright lies.
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For black levels/dynamic range LCD hasn't even made a dent in the lead plasmas have in this regard. Plus the stated contrast ratios of LCD sets are completely meaningless and quite honestly downright lies.
If the difference was as discernible you claim then Plasma's wouldn't be on their way out as most buyers crave the best looking picture when they purchase TV's. The problem is that while there's a difference to the trained eye the average person can't see much of a difference and like I said before most prefer the more vibrant look of LCD's. You can't blame manufacturers for catering to the market.
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If the difference was as discernible you claim then Plasma's wouldn't be on their way out as most buyers crave the best looking picture when they purchase TV's. The problem is that while there's a difference to the trained eye the average person can't see much of a difference and like I said before most prefer the more vibrant look of LCD's. You can't blame manufacturers for catering to the market.
It is pretty easy to discern on a well calibrated plasma, but much like other plasma benefits, is only readily seen in a dark or dimmed room. On a showroom floor, plasmas do not fare well against LCDs, and it's no surprise that the market for plasmas has fallen out when retailers aren't showing them in their ideal conditions.
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most buyers crave the best looking picture when they purchase TV's
I don't buy that for a second. The audiophile/videophile segment makes up a very tiny minority of the purchasing crowd.
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