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Cleveland Steam Whistle · 10-07-2013, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bluck

I was at the game last night and it was pretty obvious that one of the reasons why we lost was because we got out coached... especially in the third period. It was clear that Torts saw what he was doing was not working so he adapted and split up the Sedins and it produced results. What does Hartley do? He shoves McGrattan out there and lines him up against Sedin with the game on the line in the 3rd period. Are you kidding me?! I think minor league coaches would have more sense then that. Hartley has also made a few head scratching moves before in the past. So what are your thoughts? Is he the right coach for this team? I personally don't see him as a Brian Burke rebuilding type of guy but I would love to get some other opinions.

Reaching is reaching. There are a number of areas in which the Flames were out classed last night, coaching wasn't one of them. In fact the Flames out performed the Nucks in a lot of areas that the coach actually has influence, such as preparedness to start the game.

The Flames are out classed in skill and experience in every single position by the Nucks, yet still took them to OT and the only reason they didn't win was because of two UNFORCED mental errors by two vets. How are you blaming that on the coach?

SuperMatt18 · 10-07-2013, 08:51 AM

McGrattan took too long of a shift and got caught on the ice against the Sedins. It's not like Hartley line matched our fourth line against the Canucks first line.

Can't believe that this "rebuilding" team has looked great, is playing determined and hard working hockey, and people are actually calling for the coach to be fired.

Jbo · 10-07-2013, 08:52 AM

My only issue so far has been his use of Butler and SOB last night.

Other then that I find he has the team playing an upbeat and fun game. Also, reports say he ran the toughest training camp league wide.

He's earned a full year here.

strombad · 10-07-2013, 08:53 AM

Yeah, he's the right coach. People need to fully accept that this team isn't very talented. They just aren't. It's obvious. I know you, you know it, that guy knows it, everyone knows it. But scoring 12 goals in 3 games, undefeated in regulation (over 3 games of course), and actually having a product that is EXCITING to watch? Well why don't you go thank Hartley for that. Maybe he's not the right guy a couple years from now, but right now? There's no guy I'd rather see. This is the most exciting, hungriest, and speediest Flames team I've ever seen.
Save the questioning of the coach for a time when this team needs to get over a hump, not when this team is learning to BE a team.

zukes · 10-07-2013, 08:55 AM

Calgary Flames: where everything is the coach's fault.

GreenLantern2814 · 10-07-2013, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

Overall, I think the team is playing hard for him. They aren't the most physical, but they are backchecking and playing a 200 foot game which is all we can ask out of this group. I don't think Hartley was outcoached. If he had the Sedins on his team, he probably would have won.

Pretty much this. His best line to work with in Baertschi/Monahan/Stempniak. He doesn't have a goalie. They're learning. They've lost leads to two teams with elite players who asserted themselves against a young, inexperienced club. This is a process.

Hartley is the man until they stop playing hard for him.

BlackWallStreet · 10-07-2013, 08:59 AM

Look at the standings bro.... This team was supposed to be dead last. Unless you're expecting that lottery pick,, ya he's the right coach

Poe969 · 10-07-2013, 09:00 AM

I don't think Hartley is a good coach, I've said that for a while. I will say that I don't think it matters who we have as a coach this year, it's going to be a long year. By the time this team gets good, I hope we have a better coach or at least a different one

Canada 02 · 10-07-2013, 09:06 AM

Hartley has this group of scrubs and kids working their asses off; small miracle 3 games in

Enoch Root · 10-07-2013, 09:25 AM

We're taking away two of your first line players and the most talented player left is going to start the year injured.

We're going to give you a backup and an unknown, unproven goalie to work with.

We're taking away your best defenseman and we're only giving you 4 NHL defensemen to work with.

In summary, we're giving you what is arguably the weakest lineup in the NHL.

We want you to instill a sense of work ethic and meritocracy that has been woefully absent from this franchise for the last few years.

...

Fast forward to three games in...

The team has been entertaining, hard working, and is unbeaten in regulation. They have bought into the system, bonded as a team, and are possibly in better shape than any other team.

But a 4th liner, who was on the ice longer than he should have been, tried to pass through Sedin instead of chipping it up the boards.

You're fired.

calgaryboy · 10-07-2013, 09:26 AM

Absurd thread. Simply answer: Yes, he is! You can be 100% sure.

Rerun · 10-07-2013, 09:36 AM

Oling_Roachinen · 10-07-2013, 09:38 AM

I didn't like his coaching style last year. Even if the mandate was to win now the leash he put on the young guys was closer to a noose, which was terrible considering no vet had a leash at all. I've soured on him after his treatment of Baertschi. You just have to look north to see what giving young players free range results in but the exact opposite happened with Baertschi. Give him 4th line duties and if anyone on the line makes a mistake that's it for the period? There were several times last year that Begin took a stupid and completely on himself penalty that resulted in his line's last shift that game. Benching rookies because of a well past his prime 35 years old's mistake? Uggh.

Okay fine, apparently we've entered the rebuild now and the rules have changed for him. I'll believe it when I see it, but Baertschi has twice in 3 games gotten half the time as Glencross despite looking no worse. Maybe he took a step in the right direction yesterday when Baertschi and Monahan saw over 13 minutes of ice time but that's still a long ways to go. Other teams, some with arguably much better depth, haven't had issues giving 16 minutes of ice time to rookies and actually play them on the PP. Baertschi and Monahan's only time on the PP has seem to be relegated to the very tail end of it when the 26 year old Street gets to see 2 minutes of actual PP time a night lately. Not a fan of that decision.

However, it's 3 games in. If the rookies keep up their play maybe they'll get to see the ice-time more. However, if they continue to be relegated to under 15 minutes I'm going to continue with my belief he's not good with the young players which stemmed from game 1 of his coaching career with the Flames when Brodie was sat.

As for his coaching style. The effort by the team is there, even I can admit that Hartley is probably playing a big factor in that, he might even have a good system. I just don't think his decision making is great. Butler's struggling defensively in a tie-game? Just had a terrible shift? Let's keep him out ther...oh the Canucks just scored, who saw that coming? Everyone but Hartley apparently.

Oling_Roachinen · 10-07-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

His best line to work with in Baertschi/Monahan/Stempniak.

And he gives them 10 minutes a night and no PP time?

moon · 10-07-2013, 09:40 AM

He is a fine coach for the next year or two to take losses and then bring in a real coach once the team is ready to turn the corner.

kyuss275 · 10-07-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by calgaryboy

Absurd thread. Simply answer: Yes, he is! You can be 100% sure.

While i agree with most that he should be given the full year, how can you be 100% sure he is the right coach?

Yes the flames came out playing well, but it's only been 3 games. For all we know the flames peaked already and are in for a 15 game losing streak.

To say that he is 100% the coach for this group is not correct.

Rerun · 10-07-2013, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by kyuss275

While i agree with most that he should be given the full year, how can you be 100% sure he is the right coach?

Yes the flames came out playing well, but it's only been 3 games. For all we know the flames peaked already and are in for a 15 game losing streak.

To say that he is 100% the coach for this group is not correct.

He's the right coach right now. Maybe 30 games into the season I might change my mind but right now he's got this team playing like I haven't seen them play for 5 or 6 years. Now maybe some of that has to do with Iginla and friends leaving but I suspect a lot of it has to do with the coach.

Keep it up Hartley.... you da man!!!

Cali Panthers Fan · 10-07-2013, 09:51 AM

I want some more work done on special teams before I will pass judgement on Hartley's job, but 5 on 5 he's done an amazing job getting the most out of this team.

People are griping about the defensive zone, but all of Giordano, Brodie, Wideman, and Russell have been better than expected defensively. The sore spot is the SOB/Butler pairing as they have been stuck in their own zone almost every game thus far. I would like to see Hartley make a change if he can't get a better performance out of those two. Sieloff and Wotherspoon are just a phone call away.

Other than that he gets full marks from me.

Wolven · 10-07-2013, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Enoch Root

We're taking away two of your first line players and the most talented player left is going to start the year injured.

We're going to give you a backup and an unknown, unproven goalie to work with.

We're taking away your best defenseman and we're only giving you 4 NHL defensemen to work with.

Stajan has that lower body injury too so we are out one of our top centers and leaning more on Backlund, Monahan, Street and Colborne instead.

I think Hartley has the team looking very good thus far. He is still sheltering the kids minutes on the ice but I was pleased to keep seeing #23 and #47 out there and Monahan looked good in the faceoff circle (even though the stats do not really support that impression).

All in all, I still think Hartley is a good coach for right now in the rebuild. He seems to be getting positive results from the team as a whole right now and a number of the individuals on the team play a lot better under him. Pending UFAs like Stajan will likely get traded for more than we would have guessed a couple of years ago because they are reacting so well to playing under Hartley.

troutman · 10-07-2013, 09:58 AM

Lucky to have him.