Sweden, Well done.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

The logic that two completely different laws, impacting different populations, with different rationales, in different countries, with different intentions are different? Well if you think that they are even remotely related I have to question your thought process.

The only way that this would be similar is if the law that Russia instituted didn't discriminate against homosexuals and was focused on preventing people from exposing their genitals in public. But that isn't what the law is about.

What is the rationale for outlawing public masturbation? If the person keeps their fluids to themselves they aren't hurting anyone. It is because it makes people feel uncomfortable and they don't want kids viewing it which is the same justification used in Russia for their laws against public displays of homosexuality.

Seeing someone pleasuring them self in public would freak me out. A lot more than seeing two homosexuals engaged in some mild PDA. That's because society here has conditioned me to perceive it as wrong much like Russian society has conditioned their views towards public homosexuality.

[The Swedish Flame]

Originally Posted by gargamel

What a ridiculous story. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be convicted of assault for masturbating in public in Canada either, but you would be convicted of something like indecent exposure, committing a lewd act and/or disorderly conduct, which this guy will most likely be convicted of as well.

This is spot on.

It seems like the prosecution won't file charges for disorderly conduct though, so the guy probably won't end up being convicted of anything.

[Locke]

This is where society needs to determine what its all about.

Does this guy really need to go to jail or would a small fine and a simple 'Dude..come on?' suffice.

[Peanut]

WilderPegasus is just straight up trolling at this point.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

What is the rationale for outlawing public masturbation? If the person keeps their fluids to themselves they aren't hurting anyone. It is because it makes people feel uncomfortable and they don't want kids viewing it which is the same justification used in Russia for their laws against public displays of homosexuality.

Seeing someone pleasuring them self in public would freak me out. A lot more than seeing two homosexuals engaged in some mild PDA. That's because society here has conditioned me to perceive it as wrong much like Russian society has conditioned their views towards public homosexuality.

One is treating an entire group of people differently because of their sexual orientation, the other is treating someone differently because they decided to have a wank in a public place. Seems like they are not similar in the least.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Peanut

WilderPegasus is just straight up trolling at this point.

Its what he does...always.

As for the original story, I too am befuddled how nobody didnt go up to the guy and end things rather quickly...really wouldnt be difficult.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

What is the rationale for outlawing public masturbation? If the person keeps their fluids to themselves they aren't hurting anyone. It is because it makes people feel uncomfortable and they don't want kids viewing it which is the same justification used in Russia for their laws against public displays of homosexuality.

Seeing someone pleasuring them self in public would freak me out. A lot more than seeing two homosexuals engaged in some mild PDA. That's because society here has conditioned me to perceive it as wrong much like Russian society has conditioned their views towards public homosexuality.

[jayswin]

Haha, and transplant's so serious all the time, I bet you he didn't even realize how that came off.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Sweden has long been considered a sexually progressive land, but with a ruling such as this one, what about young children who now may witness these kinds of sexual demonstrations?

You mean the ones who figure out how to do it on their own anyway?

Why is everyone so afraid to have to talk to their kids about icky things?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

You mean the ones who figure out how to do it on their own anyway?

Why is everyone so afraid to have to talk to their kids about icky things?

Wait, you'd be okay teaching your kid about masturbation by way of your kid witnessing a grown man beating it in public?

[Rathji]

Yeah, because kids don't figure that out all by themselves when they realize they have a penis.

[CaptainCrunch]

Pretty sad that we've come to a point where we can't hold our urges to fire out knuckle rockets until we get home.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Wait, you'd be okay teaching your kid about masturbation by way of your kid witnessing a grown man beating it in public?

I'm not saying it's ideal, but the question was "what about young children who now may witness these kinds of sexual demonstrations?"... well, what about them? It comes off as "OH HEAVENS NO, THEY WITNESSED A DUDE WHACKING IT, THEY'RE FOREVER SOILED AS HUMAN BEINGS".

So f'in what? A kid witnessed it, so explain it to them, tell them it's only polite to do it in private and not to stare, and move on. It really is time to stop attaching a sense of shame or wrongdoing to sexual behavior when talking to one's kids about it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I'm not saying it's ideal, but the question was "what about young children who now may witness these kinds of sexual demonstrations?"... well, what about them? It comes off as "OH HEAVENS NO, THEY WITNESSED A DUDE WHACKING IT, THEY'RE FOREVER SOILED AS HUMAN BEINGS".

So f'in what? A kid witnessed it, so explain it to them, tell them it's only polite to do it in private and not to stare, and move on. It really is time to stop attaching a sense of shame or wrongdoing to sexual behavior when talking to one's kids about it.

Agreed, unless that behaviour is in public. There is a time and a place for things. If I go to the beach I don't want to see some guy putting one down range next to me, and I sure as hell don't want me kids.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Agreed, unless that behaviour is in public. There is a time and a place for things. If I go to the beach I don't want to see some guy putting one down range next to me, and I sure as hell don't want me kids.

I don't disagree. Again, say that it's not polite to do it in public. But how many of you got told you'll get hairy palms, go blind, etc.? I recall being told "It'll fall off if you pull on it". It's funny as hell now, but we have a history of making sex shameful and taboo to talk about, and it shouldn't be.

My complaint lies with the quoted sentence, "what about young children"?


It's an appeal to emotion.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

I don't disagree. Again, say that it's not polite to do it in public. But how many of you got told you'll get hairy palms, go blind, etc.? I recall being told "It'll fall off if you pull on it". It's funny as hell now, but we have a history of making sex shameful and taboo to talk about, and it shouldn't be.

My complaint lies with the quoted sentence, "what about young children"?


It's an appeal to emotion.

But, that takes away the parent's decision on when to have a healthy discussion with their child about sexuality. I would like to make that decision or at least have the ability to prepare.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by flameswin

Wait, you'd be okay teaching your kid about masturbation by way of your kid witnessing a grown man beating it in public?

A kid isn't going to know what it is. That kid is going to be as freaked out as you make him, and if you just tell them it's not something they're supposed to do, and that the man did a bad thing, they'll drop it at that. There's nothing inherently visually interesting about a man jerking off unless you derive some sort of pleasure from that thing. A small child doesn't. So they wouldn't fixate on something that to them is super boring.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

A kid isn't going to know what it is. That kid is going to be as freaked out as you make him, and if you just tell them it's not something they're supposed to do, and that the man did a bad thing, they'll drop it at that. There's nothing inherently visually interesting about a man jerking off unless you derive some sort of pleasure from that thing. A small child doesn't. So they wouldn't fixate on something that to them is super boring.

I think it will depend on the child. My son, yeah he will accept that, but my girl she would not. She is not accepting of answers without support. She wants to the reasons.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I think it will depend on the child. My son, yeah he will accept that, but my girl she would not. She is not accepting of answers without support. She wants to the reasons.

So if she's mature enough to want an answer, tell her the truth. Or make one up. It's your kid.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

But, that takes away the parent's decision on when to have a healthy discussion with their child about sexuality. I would like to make that decision or at least have the ability to prepare.

Just as grandma dying takes away a parent's decision on when to have a healthy discussion with their child about death? Growing up doesn't have a set timeline of when things happen, when things get talked about. If it happens, well I guess that's as good a time as any.

As an aside, if I ever have kids, I hope they emulate your daughter in the sense that they want reasons behind the things they're told instead of just accepting things.