[Signing] Oilers sign RNH to contract extension (7 yrs)

[nickerjones]

Originally Posted by InBurkeWeTrust

Lol this has the Miami Heat written all over it.

Eberle- D Wade
Hall- Lebron
RNH - Useless Bosh

Yeah but the heat can win games.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

7 years @6 mill/year.

so the oilers have about 26 million in capspace next season, but have to fill about 10 roster spots:
4-5 forwards (basically need to build their bottom 2 lines)
4 dmen (only have smid/ference signed)
2 goalies (starter/backup)

even if some of their ELC guys get promoted to the big club, they need to go out and get at least 2 top3 dmen and a starting goalie.

i was assuming it would look a lot worse, but it's not too bad cap wise i think.

This is why the Flames need to find a way to compete in 3 seasons while the top picks we draft the next couple years on still on ELCs.

You need to win with your young guys on their ELCs to get the best out of drafting in the early rounds.

Drafting guys in the top 5 usually means they are good enough to warrant big contracts, and those big contracts can kill your cap flexibility.

Need to do it like Chicago. Win with veterans and young guys who are on ELCs, then take a couple years to re-tool and build around the young guys who now have big contracts, then win another cup.

[Fire]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So should one expect Yakupov to soon be asking for this type of money/term too?

I would suspect yes, because apparently the Oilers feel their young players have too big of egos to have anyone make more than them, so everyone needs to make the same amount.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by InBurkeWeTrust

Lol this has the Miami Heat written all over it.

Eberle- D Wade
Hall- Lebron
RNH - Useless Bosh
The Nail - Heat's Mascot

Updated!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

7 years @6 mill/year.

so the oilers have about 26 million in capspace next season, but have to fill about 10 roster spots:
4-5 forwards (basically need to build their bottom 2 lines)
4 dmen (only have smid/ference signed)
2 goalies (starter/backup)

even if some of their ELC guys get promoted to the big club, they need to go out and get at least 2 top3 dmen and a starting goalie.

i was assuming it would look a lot worse, but it's not too bad cap wise i think.

$26M is based on the same cap as this year, which is likely going to go up. They will have to re-sign Schultz too, so that will bite into it.

Basically though, they're Ok cap wise and have their core locked up for a number of years. There's no number 1 D or cup caliber goalie there though either. Maybe they'll score their way to the cup?

[return to the red]

Waiting for the Oilers fans to show up and defend this signing.

My thoughts though, if he stays healthy could be well worth it but unless he finds some magic powder or tucks some tissues in his sleeves RNH is never playing a complete season

[Hockeyboi]

Think they overpaid, $2/3 million for 3/4 years would have been a better deal to see if he can stay injury free. As a flames fan if the oilers want to overpay some kid then that's fine with me as that's less money for any other good players.

[19Yzerman19]

If you can get past the fact that he's an Edmonton guy, Tyler Dellow is maybe the best single hockey blogger in this country right now and he tackled this topic yesterday.

Originally Posted by Tyler Dellow

Looking at the guys on whom teams went long right away, it’s hard to find any cases where the team would be unhappy with how the contract worked out. The Ovechkin deal has some potential to be a stinker but Washington could have done a deal for half that length and Ovechkin would probably have a lot of value in a trade right now if they had, what with just having won the Hart Trophy.
[...] My hope is that they go to eight years with him and that if he’s trying to do a shorter deal that they don’t bite. Look back at that list of high draft picks who did five or six or seven years and ask yourself: in how many of these cases would the team have wanted to be able to extend the deal for the same money? I’d suggest that the answer is: all of them.

Anyway, my basic points are these: bridge deals with top five draft pick forwards who’ve produced aren’t really the way that the NHL has gone, regardless of what you might hear. If we can learn anything from the surprisingly reasonable Duchene extension, it’s that you might be able to get a very reasonable third contract even if you do the bridge deal. That said, the Oiler die are kind of cast on this with Hall and Eberle having been paid and getting a third guy into that structure hopefully makes things a bit easier with Yakupov when the time comes. If the Oilers get RNH and Yakupov onto the same sort of deal as Hall and the three of them produce like first overall draft picks, there’s a better than average chance that they’ll end up with a three year window towards the end of Hall’s contract in which they’re paying $18MM for talent that would cost a combined $30MM on the open market.

http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6281

[JiriHrdina]

Why the rush? Why not see how he does this season. He has no leverage, no options. Shoulders can be tricky.

Just don't see the urgency in backing up the truck for him.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by 19Yzerman19

If you can get past the fact that he's an Edmonton guy, Tyler Dellow is maybe the best single hockey blogger in this country right now and he tackled this topic yesterday.


http://www.mc79hockey.com/?p=6281

And given the comments last time I posted a full article, by the way, I told him I was posting it beforehand so that he can ask me to remove it if he wants to.

You don't get to decide when you break the rules. The rule on this site is you don't post full articles.

[AlbertaOiler72]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I'm sure they'll live to regret this deal. The most entertaining thing about the oilers is how stupid they are lol.

and why is that?

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Jeeze, as good as he could end up being that's $1,800,000 for every point he's had in the NHL.

No, sorry. Your calculation is way off.

[bubbsy]

i'm sure the oilers had some pressure to hand out something similar to what eberle/hall got, though i'm not sure he's proven as much as they did by the time they got their deals.

i think they could have played a bit of hardball and pushed for a shorter term deal (ie. 4.5 million for 2 years or somthing) but it may have soured the kid on the organization.

at the end of the day, 6 million isn't over the top if he can get/stay healthy.

this isn't as bad as other deals they have made in the past (ie. the hemsky deal).

[old-fart]

Guess we all know how much Schultz and Yakapov will get next year.

[Oil Stain]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why the rush? Why not see how he does this season. He has no leverage, no options. Shoulders can be tricky.

Just don't see the urgency in backing up the truck for him.

Because in the last 3-4 years of these deals, when the cap is $80 million dollars, these contracts are going to be giant steals.

Hall's contract already looks amazing. He has the 31st highest cap hit among forwards. When it expires it will be more like 50+. Good luck re-signing a point per game player for anything resembling $6 million in 2018.

I think a bridge contract makes a lot more sense if you have a team that is competing for the cup right now, and need the space short term. The bridge deal hurt both Philly (Giroux is now @$8) and likely Montreal with Subban.


The Oilers giving these guys long term deals will give them quite a bit of cap flex 3-4 years down the road when these players are really hitting their primes.

P.S. Hall had the same type of shoulder injury but more severe. Not too worried about RNH.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by InBurkeWeTrust

Lol this has the Miami Heat written all over it.

Eberle- D Wade
Hall- Lebron
RNH - Useless Bosh

Hopefully no back-to-back cups though.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why the rush? Why not see how he does this season. He has no leverage, no options. Shoulders can be tricky.

Just don't see the urgency in backing up the truck for him.

I just don't understand all the teams who seem to be in a rush to sign extensions a full year in advance.

For some players it might make sense because you expect him to have a break out year, so you want to get him signed long term at a lower rate or if he's a star player who is a pending UFA who has said he'll go to free-agency if he starts the season without an extension.

For a player like RNH, who will only be an RFA at season's end (without arbitration rights either), rushing an extension makes no sense. Last year, we saw a lot of these signings because no one knew what things would look like after the lockout, but it doesn't make sense this year.

[Walter Reed]

Did the Oil overpay ......? Hmmmm maybe ...... when a team acquires good players they're going to have to pay them. I suspect Yak will be in the running for a similar contract if his play warrants it. Years ago players were paid for their past performance and now the pendulum has swung with players being paid for what clubs believe they will accomplish. It will be telling if the cap goes up as expected. I'm guessing that if Monahan & Sven pan out as many here project, the Flames will be following a similar salary strategy. Like a lot of speculation, time will tell if the decisions were right. Who knows, in 2-3 years some may look back and say their contracts were a bargain. I won't pretend to know what the future holds for these players or the games financial future.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Ark2

No, sorry. Your calculation is way off.

in the NHL last year*

I added the NHL part to avoid people bringing up AHL totals but I guess I made it more confusing with improper choice of words there. My bad.

Stupid way of looking at it either way, just a ton of money for a guy less than truly proven.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Why the rush?

When someone is foolish enough to pick Edmonton for seven years you jump on it before they come to their senses!