Why is there so much hate for B.Jones?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I never bought into the "wasn't given a shot" crutch. If you are given a shift then there's no reason why you can't be judged on that shift

Tim Ramholt had a shift and was judged on it.

Jones earned his demotion.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by moon

I know you asked the OP and not me but I put Jones ahead of Begin (much, much, much, better player), Bouma, Horak (I see both as wingers at NHL level and he is better than Horak), Knight (shown 0 in the NHL and little in his NCAA career to indicate he will be anything). I probably put him ahead of Monahan because I would rather see Monahan play top 6 or OHL than 3rd/4th line center but if they want Monahan in top 6 and say Backland/Stajan as the 3rd line guy then obviously Monahan is above Jones.

I would have it ideally (meaning Monahan plays well enough to be a top 6 guy) center depth:

Monahan
Stajan
Backland
Jones

No Monahan:

Stajan
Backland
Jones
Bouma/Knight

I couldn't have put it any better myself. My thoughts exactly. I really don't feel that rushing Monahan is of any benefit. IF he earns a spot, all the better. But if he can't compete at the NHL level, send him back to dominate. This team with him doesn't become cup contenders (yet).

On second thought. I might put Reinhart on par with Jones. Though I think Reinhart will be the better player with time.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Knight has the skillset to be a third line center, if he can continue at the NHL level. That is part of Calgary's troubles post Yelle. Jones was average filler.

[flamesrule14]

Originally Posted by Pontine

He's really fallen off, I did enjoy him when he first joined the team.

Me too. The season we acquired him he was real good and looked like a good option for the bottom six. Last season though he just wasn't good enough. Seemed like he could never really find his game. He's got to be given a clean slate though. If he has a good camp then he should make the team.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Knight has the skillset to be a third line center, if he can continue at the NHL level. That is part of Calgary's troubles post Yelle. Jones was average filler.

Corban Knight hasn't even played a game in the AHL. Lets see if he sticks past his NHL tryout before we start wishful thinking.

Originally Posted by flamesrule14

Me too. The season we acquired him he was real good and looked like a good option for the bottom six. Last season though he just wasn't good enough. Seemed like he could never really find his game. He's got to be given a clean slate though. If he has a good camp then he should make the team.

Maybe it was the lockout? Who knows.

[gilligans_off]

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[Hanna Sniper]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Tim Ramholt had a shift and was judged on it.

Jones earned his demotion.

I think you need to read my post, you're saying the same thing back at me but doing so like you're correcting me

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I think you need to read my post, you're saying the same thing back at me but doing so like you're correcting me

Sorry, I was agreeing with you. Giving my favourite example of a single shift career. I was there!

[Eric Vail]

Jones reminds me of Duane Hay. He doesn't score. He doesn't fight. He really isn't that tough and doesn't play exceptional defense.

What does he do that is great? I have never seen it.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

I think you need to read my post, you're saying the same thing back at me but doing so like you're correcting me

Next up? Grammar 101

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

Corban Knight hasn't even played a game in the AHL. Lets see if he sticks past his NHL tryout before we start wishful thinking.

No disputing that he hasn't played a pro game. The comment was about the style of play. Kudos to the team for recognizing the need.

And Jones filled no particular need.

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No disputing that he hasn't played a pro game. The comment was about the style of play. Kudos to the team for recognizing the need.

And Jones filled no particular need.

Never filled a need? He was acquired for a reason.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

Next up? Grammar 101

Alas, grammar is an elementary-school course. Enrolment is not open to those who flunked 'Plays Well With Others' in kindergarten.

Higher education is such a pain sometimes, isn't it?

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

Never filled a need? He was acquired for a reason. Teams don't just give picks away for nothing.

'Filled no particular need' ≠ 'Never filled a need'. Jones filled a need when he was acquired: he was a warm body who could play centre on a team desperately short at that position. That is no longer the case. Unless he shows a dramatic improvement over his recent play, he will simply be pushed off the team by better players. Acknowledging this does not constitute any form of hate.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by gilligans_off

Never filled a need? He was acquired for a reason.

Warm body. You are right

[kyuss275]

We certainly could have used Jones last year. Hell i had to watch Tanguay play center for half a year and even Comeau for a bunch of games. Both were awful. I dont think Jones is anymore than a 4th line/ pressbox guy and for some reason spends a lot of time falling down.

His main downfall was the conversation he had with Hartely that got him kicked off the team. My only guess is that he questioned Hartely's "keeping players accountable" speech. At that point in time half of our top 6 were doing their own thing when they wanted and still got ice time.

He certainly is in Hartely's dog house and i doubt he can get out of it unless he has an "uber-camp". He would have to out play Horak, Reinhart, Knight and Bouma. I could see him outplaying a couple of them,he has experience, but i doubt all of them. I do think Horak is way better than him and i rather have Horak over Jones.

[Stormchaser]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Ok, tell me which four centres of this list you put him ahead of:

Stajan - 1st line Center (well on this team anyways!)
Backlund - 2nd line center all locked up

Now this is where its a total crapshoot.

Horak - hasn't proved yet that he belongs with the big club
Monahan - Hope he lights it up but I think Ottawa is good for his development
Knight - i think he needs more time but will be called up later on
Begin - One year older and will spend half the year in the pressbox (Edit: I guess he's down in Abby)
Bouma - I believe this is Bouma's year to make an impact.

Without any injuries I would say that Jones has a great chance to stick with the team. Who knows what version we will get but I think so far there are more question marks with Monahan and Knight then with Jones.

I think it goes like this....

Begin splits playing duties with Mcgrattan and B. Jones
Bouma plays all year
Monahan plays 9 games and is sent back to Ottawa
Knight is sent down, recalled for injuries
Horak centers the 3rd or 4th line unless he is beat out by Monahan

This is how is see it for the first part of the season...

Glencross - Stajan - Cammy
Galiardi - Backlund - Stempniak
Baertschi- Horak - Mcgrattan
Jackman - Bouma - D. Jones
Reinhart - B. Jones

And when injuries happen....start the fun!

[gilligans_off]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

Alas, grammar is an elementary-school course. Enrolment is not open to those who flunked 'Plays Well With Others' in kindergarten.

Higher education is such a pain sometimes, isn't it?

You realize I was on his side right? Should we move on to Sarcasm now? Leave out the personal attacks and stick to the topic.

Originally Posted by stormchaser

Stajan - 1st line Center (well on this team anyways!)
Backlund - 2nd line center all locked up

Now this is where its a total crapshoot.

Horak - hasn't proved yet that he belongs with the big club
Monahan - Hope he lights it up but I think Ottawa is good for his development
Knight - i think he needs more time but will be called up later on
Begin - One year older and will spend half the year in the pressbox
Bouma - I believe this is Bouma's year to make an impact.

I think Begin was signed to a minor-league contract.

[Alberta_Beef]

Blair Jones is at best a borderline NHL talent even on a rebuilding team. There is a very good reason why he only has 114 games in 6 seasons.

His offensive game is pretty much non-existent, he sucks at faceoffs, he doesn't hit enough for a 4th liner and doesn't even throw down when needed.

He has very much earned his demotions by simply not being good enough.

[Anduril]

Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

Blair Jones is at best a borderline NHL talent even on a rebuilding team. There is a very good reason why he only has 114 games in 6 seasons.

His offensive game is pretty much non-existent, he sucks at faceoffs, he doesn't hit enough for a 4th liner and doesn't even throw down when needed.

He has very much earned his demotions by simply not being good enough.

I'll certainly second this. At most he would be one of multiple choices on the 4th line but there's not much that he offers or has shown to be able to offer that warrants anything overall positive.

And on a semi unrelated note, still no idea why Monahan is still 'top 6 or bust'. Is there something wrong with giving him 3rd line minutes in the best league in the world?

[Karl]

Originally Posted by stormchaser

Stajan - 1st line Center (well on this team anyways!)
Backlund - 2nd line center all locked up

Now this is where its a total crapshoot.

Horak - hasn't proved yet that he belongs with the big club
Monahan - Hope he lights it up but I think Ottawa is good for his development
Knight - i think he needs more time but will be called up later on
Begin - One year older and will spend half the year in the pressbox (Edit: I guess he's down in Abby)
Bouma - I believe this is Bouma's year to make an impact.

Without any injuries I would say that Jones has a great chance to stick with the team. Who knows what version we will get but I think so far there are more question marks with Monahan and Knight then with Jones.

I think it goes like this....

Begin splits playing duties with Mcgrattan and B. Jones
Bouma plays all year
Monahan plays 9 games and is sent back to Ottawa
Knight is sent down, recalled for injuries
Horak centers the 3rd or 4th line unless he is beat out by Monahan

This is how is see it for the first part of the season...

Glencross - Stajan - Cammy
Galiardi - Backlund - Stempniak
Baertschi- Horak - Mcgrattan
Jackman - Bouma - D. Jones
Reinhart - B. Jones

And when injuries happen....start the fun!

Eh? McGrattan on the 3rd line and D. Jones on the 4th?