UFA Batch 2 Winners

[Cheese]

when 7 players have 4 or less bids on them strange things happen...it really seems like there was a concentration on a few players.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

You are right. Lots of effort, strategy and 'balls' went into those bids.

Again I don't get the sarcasm.

I know you hate these low bid winning offers, but why?

You have to make choices about where to allocate cap space in your bids. I actually considered making some low ball 500Kish bids, but instead decided to use that cap space to top up my offers to guys I really wanted. Didn't work. I lose.

Cheese appears to be one of the few that took the shotgun approach and it worked.

[devo22]

missed Ott by 0.4 ... missed Campbell by a mile. No other bids from me this round.

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Cheese appears to be one of the few that took the shotgun approach and it worked.

I don't think Cheese guessed right.

I think 20 other GMs guessed wrong.


It's too bad that failed bids don't take away from your cap available for the next round. Then you'd see some strategy beyond blasting out a dozen or more minimum bids!

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by dsavillian

I don't think Cheese guessed right.

I think 20 other GMs guessed wrong.


It's too bad that failed bids don't take away from your cap available for the next round. Then you'd see some strategy beyond blasting out a dozen or more minimum bids!

so in round 1 I used that type of strategy...select few...some higher bids and almost nada. In that case I would have retained most of my cap...this way still makes more sense...

[Swayze11]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Again I don't get the sarcasm.

I know you hate these low bid winning offers, but why?

You have to make choices about where to allocate cap space in your bids. I actually considered making some low ball 500Kish bids, but instead decided to use that cap space to top up my offers to guys I really wanted. Didn't work. I lose.

Cheese appears to be one of the few that took the shotgun approach and it worked.

It is not strategy, it does not go in parallel to the NHL, it takes no effort.

Your theory of predicting the market and anticipating other teams needs isn't what happens.

With my suggestion, you could target a specific group of players and have a realistic shot of getting them with the cap you allocate. The current system is you throw money at a few players and pray.

[Hanna Sniper]

Cry cry cry


Funny, if we get out bid but 4m no one has a problem but if we don't bid on a player and someone gets him cheap we are sour

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by Hanna Sniper

Funny, if we get out bid but 4m no one has a problem but if we don't bid on a player and someone gets him cheap we are sour

I'm not a player in this UFA session and feel the same way. I didn't even want Vokoun at all, even if I was in the bidding.

I'm just pointing out what I think is a flaw in the system. And offering suggestions to improve the system


And your "cry cry cry" seems an awful lot like my "bindly stabbing" comment from a previous thread

[Swayze11]

My suggestion wasn't going to stop people from overpaying.

I am not crying at all. I apologize for trying to improve the league and bringing up new ideas. I will shut up from now on.

[Hanna Sniper]

Maybe my cry cry comment is over the line and I apologize for that... but 38 Ufa were signed and a huge portion were at big dollars by grid standards... and of those 38 on;y 2 were signed to a 500k contract and as soon as that happens... pow

there will never be a more realistic way only a realistic your opinion. Just because you don't see a strategy doesn't mean this isn't one just means it's not your strategy

I can't speak for the league nor would I ever, but from what I've seen from here they have always been open for ways to improve the league> so I personally would believe they would be open to any idea's you have. But just because one idea's isn't bought in by everyone, then work on it and try to make it work rather then it's my way, and it's the only good way, and retread that ground to its beaten.

You've made a lot of good points and with 30GM's not everyone will agree, I have no doubt that come next year there might indeed be a new system but there's more then one way to play a game and not giving any respect to others perspective and strategies doesn't help to understand the other side and find a system that meets in the middle

[MJK]

Strike 2 for the Jackets but looking at what some of these players are getting we wouldn't have altered our offers at all. Too much cash being thrown around for average players.

We'll let the UFA process play it out but if we don't land anyone so be it.

[TurdFerguson]

The problem I have is that UfA in our league doesn't work on the same core principle that any ufa system in pro sports does. Given that all player bias factors are naturally removed, only money remains. So you would think that the ufa process should be geared towards maximizing player contract. A sealed bid system does not do this.

So, if the goal of ufa is not to produce the best player contract, and instead to use something else to determine a destination, that's cool. I'd just like more clarity as to why we are bucking the open market model that is used thoughout pro sports.

Just food for thought I guess. Best intentions here and trying to imrove what I believe is a strange system. If the consensus doesn't agree that's fine...

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

My suggestion wasn't going to stop people from overpaying.

I am not crying at all. I apologize for trying to improve the league and bringing up new ideas. I will shut up from now on.

I have no issues at all with suggestions are trying to improve the league. However, that discussion is already in progress so using one of the only low bid offers that was successful as a way to further that argument in this thread just feels unfair.

I think this UFA season so far shows that most players get paid or overpaid.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by TurdFerguson

The problem I have is that UfA in our league doesn't work on the same core principle that any ufa system in pro sports does. Given that all player bias factors are naturally removed, only money remains. So you would think that the ufa process should be geared towards maximizing player contract. A sealed bid system does not do this.

So, if the goal of ufa is not to produce the best player contract, and instead to use something else to determine a destination, that's cool. I'd just like more clarity as to why we are bucking the open market model that is used thoughout pro sports.

Just food for thought I guess. Best intentions here and trying to imrove what I believe is a strange system. If the consensus doesn't agree that's fine...

Problem is in the real world the primary purpose of free agency is for players to get paid - in our game player interests don't matter. Free agency is just a fun part of the game that is used in part to re-distribute talent and encourage trading.

[mbeauchamp76]

1st Rd - overpaid, got everyone
2nd Rd - reasonably paid, got no one missed one by .42 MIL

We will try lowball for Round 3, might have a better chance and able to bid on more players. More players equals better chance. Not being sarcastic or complaining but now I am thinking I finally figuring out the system. The only way to make absolutely sure you get the player you want or need is to over pay. If you don't really care about the player then offer next to nothing and all the sudden you might get him and become a genius.

[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Problem is in the real world the primary purpose of free agency is for players to get paid - in our game player interests don't matter. Free agency is just a fun part of the game that is used in part to re-distribute talent and encourage trading.

Which I totally get. I guess I just don't get the randomness of it. This method doesn't guarantee that the team that has the greatest want and resources gets there player, which to me they should. If I can and will outbid the league on someone then I should get the player. I don't believe there is a concrete driver on what gets you a player, I mean its highest one time bid but that is based on loose strategy/guesswork etc.

Anyway, beating horses here. I'll leave it at that and we can pickup the conversation down the road.

[Cheese]

somehow I feel bad right now...Ill get over it after this drink.

[MJK]

Originally Posted by Cheese

somehow I feel bad right now...Ill get over it after this drink.

What a jerk, taking wine coolers from his wife.

[Cheese]

Made an error with Dan Ellis. He is Oilers property. My fault and it is corrected.

[JiriHrdina]

Wild completely whiffed for the 2nd batch in a row. Looks like Huberdeau and Hamilton will be part of the team this year.