If your a Hunter, don't be a Stoner

[Bring_Back_Shantz]

Originally Posted by fotze

But I think the way it works is if you make a stick of beef jerky out of the meat you are totally cleared to do the killing. The eating of the meat is a loophole Stoner should have taken.

I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps in BC the rules are different, but in Alberta there is no requirement to use the bear meat. There is however a legal requirement to ensure the skin is not wasted.

If you have a tag you have the right to go kill a bear.
With that right comes the requirement to ensure the skin is not wated. But unlike other animals (deer for example) what you do with the meat is entirely up to you. You can use it, or you can leave it behind.

Assuming BC is the same as Alberta, there is no loophole, nor is there a reason for Stoner to look for one, as he already acted in a perfectly legal way, and fullfiled his legal requirements.

[19Yzerman19]

The video in that link premises its argument in no small part on the notion that the bears drive tourism, employ locals, and are consequently worth more alive than dead (at least initially before veering off into the normal sort of stuff you'd expect). That's an incredibly effective environmental argument that I wish was made more often. Of course, it would need to be better fleshed out to demonstrate that the impact on the hunting industry wouldn't overshadow the tourism dollars at stake.

For anyone who's not particularly invested in this, that discussion might get their attention.

[cam_wmh]

I agree with hunting. Provincial & National conservation, requires hunting of various species, as we have human's have screwed up the ecosystem beyond repair, and now have to artificially manage it.

What I vehemently disagree with is trophy hunting. "My wang feels 13inches, with this animal that I took down with muppet like talent, using someone elses technological invention:"

[Fozzie_DeBear]

I just think killing for fun is sick...if you want a trophy and need to show off your mad tracking skills...then pickup a damn camera

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by Derek Sutton

Just so everyone knows, you don't eat bear meat. Bears are hunted for the "rug", You shoot it, skin it and pack up. Stoner did what everyone else does who bear hunts, he did nothing wrong from a hunting stand point, nor from a wildlife conservation stand point.

The hunting debate is something entirely different.

Bear grease (made from the fat) is useful for all kinds of things. It's used pretty often by First Nations people. It's true that the meat is not tasty. As has been pointed out already, though, the issue is whether hunting just for trophies is ethical. I don't think so, which is why I'm in favour of this being made an issue and brought into the spotlight. Stoner didn't do anything illegal, and there are plenty of people who will support him and think he did nothing wrong. My hope is that making this public will help spark eventual change in the laws and what is considered okay in hunting.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Fozzie_DeBear

I just think killing for fun is sick...if you want a trophy and need to show off your mad tracking skills...then pickup a damn camera

Agreed. I don't see where the thrill is in killing something for sport, or what the purpose is. Absolutely barbaric.

[Flashpoint]

Originally Posted by pylon

It kinda is an issue. Because in my, and many other peoples opinion, hunting something simply to mount it's head on your wall, and nothing else, makes you a bad, evil person. It also makes you kinda sick in the head too. At minimum, it just means you just have a tiny penis.

I agree with you BTW. I'd like to see it outlawed, so hopefully some attention gets paid by the populace, and the local government.

Maybe that'll be Stoner's legacy on this (albeit unintended).

[greentree]

Originally Posted by Bring_Back_Shantz

Derek Sutton already touched on it, but I don't understand why this is a controversy.
I'm a hunter, but I have no desire to hunt bears, it's just not something that appeals to me. But the fact of the matter is,Stonder didn't do anything illegal.

If you're opposed to hunting bears, then make your case based on the facts, don't try to spin a "famous" person following the regulations laid out for hunting, to make it look like he is doing something seedy.

What we have here is a case of a group that is opposed to a lawful activity, so they describe it in such a way so as to make it sound like Stoner did something terrible.

The facts of the matter are:
1) The area was not closed to trophy hunting. A group doesn't like trophy hunting, and doesn't want it happeing in a certain area, but they have ZERO authority to make that decision
2) The part about the carcas being left to rot is irrelevant. The law does not require a hunter to use the meat. For most species it is illegal to waste the meat (deer, moose, elk, etc), for predators (bears, cougars, etc) it is illegal to waste the hide. Some hunters do keep/eat bear meat, but it isn't required, and Stonder didn't do anything illegal with how he handled the bear after he shot it.

Good post.
One clarification: In BC, hunters are required to take edible parts from a bear kill, if it's a black bear. If it's a grizzly, the entire carcass can be left behind. Whatever the bear type, the hide must always be taken. And gall bladders must be left behind, always, to help prevent poaching. Them's the rules, in BC.

BTW the photos of Stoner with the dead bear were shot by a First Nations member who was on scene but not involved in the hunt. The photos *somehow* ended up with the Vancouver Sun, which broke the story on Tuesday. A FN group opposed to trophy hunting held a press conference in Vancouver on Wednesday, and screened a documentary film that had footage of the Stoner kill. The group denied leaking the photos to the Sun.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by macker

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/bor...136/story.html
Nice going.....BC bud......

Trophy hunting a Grizzly and what is worse leaving the carcass, Stoner your a despicable creep. .
I don't have time or can even relate to anyone like this.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by greentree

And gall bladders must be left behind, always, to help prevent poaching.

This part doesn't make sense to me. Is there some reason why the gall bladder of a bear would be valuable to poachers?

[Poe969]

I believe in Asia, the gal bladder of a bear is extremely valuable. Again, Stoner did nothing wrong. I have many friends and family who hunt and they would have probably done the same thing given the chance. If you're against hunting, that's your own perogative. Don't say someone is less of a person because they enjoy something you don't.

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Don't say someone is less of a person because they enjoy killing for nothing more than the thrill of it.

ftfy

[Poe969]

again, you disagree with something that is 100% legal so you're putting a negative spin on it. Call it anything you want, it's still legal.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

Trophy hunting is disgusting.

I agree, I'm going hog hunting here in a few weeks at night, And they expect to get about 20 to 30 hogs at least for that night. Wild boar is good eating and they will process the pig for $45 for you or if you don't want it they will donate it to local shelters and needy families.

I will keep enough for me and donate the rest. I plan on filling my deer tags this year and doing the same thing.

I don't have the spare cash to have the animal mounted and the fiancé will freak so I can care less about points.

[The Fonz]

For the people so passionately against what Stoner did (which was entirely legal), what are your views on fishing?

How do you view the people who catch a big fish and get it mounted? Do you have any of your own?

And the most important question... if I have a fish mounted, do I too have a small penis? This particular question greatly concerns me.

[Bill Bumface]

Originally Posted by troutman

On a related note, I saw a news report a few weeks ago that there may be 3X as many grizzles in SW Alberta than previously thought.

God forbid bear populations get anywhere back near historic levels.

Quick! Shoot them all!

[Poe969]

Wait, are you saying it's wrong to shoot bears or the number of bear liscences given out is wrong?

[Shnabdabber]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

For the people so passionately against what Stoner did (which was entirely legal), what are your views on fishing?

How do you view the people who catch a big fish and get it mounted? Do you have any of your own?

And the most important question... if I have a fish mounted, do I too have a small penis? This particular question greatly concerns me.

Killing fish is a disgusting, barbaric practice and I don't understand how in today's world anyone would want to hunt and murder a fish "because its fun." Horrific savagery.

I think fishing rods should be banned or at the very least controlled by the gov't with a registry.

[Poe969]

same goes with house flys. Those electric fly swatters are cruel and barbaric. I say we stand together and make killing any kind of insect punishable by death!

[CSharp]

Sounds more like the BC gov't doesn't know what it's doing in regards to environmental issues. They seem to contradict everything you see on the news about the pipeline that Alberta wants to put through. I guess if enough money is put up, no environmental concern is as big as the brief case that holds the greens.